List of refugee crimes in Europe since New Year's Eve.....

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  1. calitennis127

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    Back on December 10th, Broken criticized me for "generalizing" about the migrants flooding Europe. Well, since the Cologne rapes, I have made note of some of the incidents of refugee crime and misconduct that I have read about. Here is a timeline, all the way up through yesterday.

    I think we can see a pattern. But please, please, please do not generalize or stereotype. That is the worst thing one can do because it might reveal an instructive pattern that gives insight into reality. We would not want that.

    Apparently feminist Moxie likes seeing European women and their children sexually assaulted all over Europe by Muslim migrants. She regards that as "inclusiveness".

    The sources for this information include CNN, Yahoo News, the Associated Press, the Washington Post, the UK's Daily Mail, and multiple German news outlets via Breitbart. These German outlets include the Stuttgarter Nachrichten, the Kronen Zeitung, Spiegel TV, and Die Welt.

    - New Year’s Eve in Cologne: More than 520 women reported sexual assaults, including at least 3 rapes, by Muslim migrants around Cologne’s cathedral. A total of 900 people were attacked and many robberies were reported. As of January 6th, there had been 90 separate criminal incidents reported. The Cologne police chief Wolfgang Albers called the acts "crimes of a totally new dimension" and "intolerable".

    - The New Year's Eve episode in Cologne prompted a Muslim group known as “Muslim Stern”, which sounds like a German CAIR, to publicly call for the German government to ban alcohol in order to prevent further sex attacks. (Apparently Muslim Stern generalized about Muslim men and assumed that they all can’t handle themselves once alcohol is in their system with non-burka-covered infidel women around. What Islamophobic bigots they must be!)

    - Besides Cologne, other cities that endured sexual assaults by Islamic migrants on New Year's Eve included Helsinki (Finland), Kalmar (Sweden), Zurich (Switzerland), Vienna, and then the German cities of Hamburg, Bielefield, Cologne, Frankfurt, and Stuttgart.

    - January 11th in Stockholm: At the annual “We are Sthlm” music festival, there were reports that gangs of refugees mostly from Afghanistan committed mass sexual assaults against girls as young as 11 or 12. This was followed by widespread accusations that Swedish police covered up the crimes.

    - Week of January 15th to January 22nd throughout Germany: There were a spate of sex attacks on children, both male and female, in swimming facilities across Germany. In particular, there was one very unpleasant incident of a pair of young girls in Munich being groped under their bathing suits and raped by a gang of “refugees” from Syria and Afghanistan. This is called diversity training for children, Afghan edition.

    - January 22nd in Zwickau, Saxony: “Migrants” visiting the Johannisbad baths defecated into the kid’s pool, invaded the girl’s changing room, released their reproductive liquids into the Jacuzzi, and sexually assaulted some bathers, which prompted the locals to flee the baths. Apparently the locals who fled the baths were generalizing about all migrants who came to that bath. Why would they play the percentages and not be more inclusive? Part of accepting other cultures entails swimming among the feces and seminal fluid of their people in swimming pools.

    - January 26th in Vateras, Sweden at the Signalisten asylum: Reports of repeated rape of a 10-year-old boy at a refugee center prompted a police patrol of 10 officers to check on the center; when they got there, they were surrounded by a mob of angry migrants and had to flee from the mob. (There were also reports of sexual assault in public swimming pools in Stockholm involving asylum seekers.)

    - January 25th in Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany: A brawl broke out between Afghan and Pakistani Muslims at a refugee center over different interpretations of the Qur'an's teachings on alcohol, resulting in the arrival of 32 police vehicles. The brawl involved approximately 200 refugees out of a total of 500 at the camp. The rioters charged the police with iron bars and were heard screaming "Allahu Akbar". A total of 6 police officers and 12 rioters were hospitalized after the riot.

    - January 26th in Molndal, Sweden: 22-year-old social worker Alexandra Mezher, who worked at an asylum center in the city of Molndal, was stabbed and killed by a 15-year-old migrant at the center. This episode has been arguably the most publicized case of refugee-related misconduct besides the rapes in Cologne, as the Washington Post ran a major story on it.

    - February 4th in Berlin: 3 Algerian Muslims were arrested for an IS-inspired terrorist plot, and an additional Algerian Muslim was reported to be under investigation. One of these four was found to have trained militarily in Syria.

    - February 4th in France: It was revealed that the ringleader of the November Paris attacks, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, snuck into France from Belgium in a group of 90 people without immigration documents. This revelation came from the informant who tipped off French authorities on Abaaoud's whereabouts before the Saint-Denis raid that killed Abaaoud.

    - February 5th in Vienna: Austrian authorities revealed that two months ago, on December 2nd, a 20-year-old Iraqi migrant brutally raped a 10-year-old boy at the Theresienbad pool in Vienna. The young boy had to be hospitalized for his injuries.

    - February 9th in the rural German village of Sankt Johann: German authorities conducted a raid on refugee housing because of two suspects having possible ties to the Islamic State. They found a 32-year-old man who had fought in eastern Syria as a notorious Islamic State commander and was responsible for dozens of deaths. They discovered that he had left eastern Syria via Turkey to seek asylum in Germany.

    - February 11th in Stuttgart: Reports of increasing violence toward Christians, the desecration of Bibles, and the sexual abuse of women and children prompted a petition by a group called the "Central Oriental Christians" asking the City of Stuttgart for separate housing for Christian refugees. A man named Martin Lessenthin, the CEO of the International Society for Human Rights, commented that it was common at refugee facilities to see both Christians and Yazidis subject to torment and beatings. Maybe dimwit Obama can see now why Republican presidential candidates said we should primarily take Christian refugees a couple months ago.

    - February 13th in Hannover: A 37-year-old Algerian Muslim raped a 25-year-old German female as she was walking home from a nightclub in Hannover around 5am. Apparently the attacker shouted "Inshallah" (Arabic for "if Allah wills it") during the rape and then asked his victim afterward if she enjoyed it.

    As Obama remarked at the Baltimore mosque, the Europeans should say something to Islamic immigrants that those immigrants just do not hear enough: "thank you".
     
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    Well, it's a huge issue for Europe that's for sure... and one nobody has put up any workable solutions. The simple solution is to settle the Syrian situation at the root... but we know that won't be allowed to happen - too many vested interests in prolonging it and/or winning at any cost.
     
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    That would be the best solution BB, but Syrian situation is such a tangled mess. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ra...rders-with-the-intent-to-invade-syria/5507848

    Being a refugee myself a long time ago, I know exactly how these people feel. They are desperate, hopeless, angry. Some of the people are just god fearing good people put in a terrible situation and they try to cope the best way they can, without causing many problems. But many are vile and unreasonable and seek revenge and destruction of other people's property and lives.
     
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    True. This is the same in any large group of humanity. There will always be a bad section. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with characterising that portion as "many" though
     
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    False premise Britbox. The Daily Mail reported last September that the vast majority of migrants to Europe (4 out of 5) are not even coming from Syria. The Syrian civil war may have triggered this mass migration, but it is not the main source of migrants. The migrants are coming from all over the Islamic world.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ars-85-year-just-one-five-war-torn-Syria.html

    I agree that it would help things if the Syrian quagmire was resolved, but this will not happen as long as the bipartisan position in Washington is that Assad must go. Democrats such as Obama and Republicans such as McCain agree on that point. As long as they keep pushing that agenda, Syria will have no hope of regaining stability. Ironically, only Trump is speaking any sense on this question.
     
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    Funny that you say that about being accepting to refugees. That is exactly what this mother told her children:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rets-telling-children-migrants-need-help.html
     
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    And what if that monster were not a migrant? Would that crime be any "easier"? Monsters are monsters, everywhere and come in all shapes and forms.

    My 10 year old kid would not be going in any swimming pools alone and unsupervised. The times are so dire that we personally have to protect ourselves and our closest ones from potential dangers, be they migrants, blacks, whites, men, women, name it.
     
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    If that monster was not a migrant, then we would simply have him put in jail and consider causes and preventive measures. But when considering migrants, we are talking about immigration policy. We should want immigration policy that makes our societies better off. We have enough problems with our own native criminals. We don't need to add a slew of others.

    The other point that you are missing is that in Islamic culture, non-Muslim women are given very little value. Sexually exploiting them is explicitly sanctioned in the Qu'ran. That is why you see so little respect for the non-Muslim women across Europe by the migrants. Islamic culture is generally much more tolerant of what we in the West would consider sexual exploitation or sexual abuse. There are statements in the Qu'ran to this effect, as well as statements of Islamic jurists from Al-Azhar University. I know someone who did a tour of duty in Afghanistan and some of the stories he shared about pedophilia over there were graphic. There are more civilized parts of the Islamic world than others, but generally speaking there is a greater problem with sexual abuse, particularly of religious minorities. The problem extends well beyond ISIS raping Christian women. At this point, there have been enough rapes and sexual assaults in Europe in 2016 alone to recognize this. It is obvious.

    Is every Islamic migrant a rapist? No. But is the average male migrant from the Middle East far more likely to commit a rape than a native European? Yes. We are talking about a very significant cultural and religious difference. The Muslim migrants clearly have very little respect for the non-Muslim women and children in Europe.
     
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    But cali, with 1.1 million of refugees and migrants in Germany alone, what do you think happens with them? These things do not surprise me. All these committing crimes should be punished, harshly, the bigger the crime, the harsher punishment. That would help other, law abiding, desperate people, kids and their mothers.

    The situation is a nightmare, frankly and not easy to solve. They messed up so many countries there and the policies and acts in the middle east only bring hatred.
     
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    Billie, I just told Britbox and provided a link showing that 80% of the migrants are not even from Syria. This is not primarily a refugee crisis at this point. This is a mass migration of people from dysfunctional societies who are simply trying to take advantage of the affluence and pliable attitude of Europe. You are misrepresenting the issue.

    You are talking tough about enforcing the law and punishing people, but what your recommendations will ultimately lead to is police states across Europe. Do you want that? Do you want festivals in Cologne to have hundreds of police officers there to prevent sexual assaults? Do you want Paris and Brussels and Munich on lockdown because of ISIS threats? Do you want police forces in Germany and France to have to conduct raids on people's homes in order to break up terrorist activities? Munich had to shut down its railway stations on New Year's Eve because of Islamic terrorist threats. A soccer match was cancelled a couple weeks before that because of terrorist threats. That is the future of Europe if this massive influx of migrants - not refugees - is allowed to continue.

    Allowing all of these migrants to flood into Europe also won't solve anything. It will simply encourage more people from all over Asia and Africa to come into Europe. It will not fix the situation in Syria, and there is no logical endpoint for this flow to stop.

    The answer to this problem would be for real men - of which there are none in the European Union or the Obama administration - to step up, get together, and enforce a logical and humane course of action for stabilizing Syria and providing safe havens for genuine refugees near Syria. As it is, the West is led by cowards who simultaneously stick their noses in the affairs of Middle Eastern people for no good reason and then allow massive invasions of their home countries by migrants. It is total insanity.
     
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    It might not be the main source of migrants but the premise is largely the same. Most of these migrants come from war torn countries like Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya... where western intervention has caused the chaos to begin with.
     
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    Yes, most are not from Syria, but it is from all of those areas, which have reeling for decades because of a host of things, western foriegn policy being one of them. I don't think one can minimize the regional affect of Saudi politics mixed with money and cultural and societal mores the Saudis have implemented throughout the region. It is a mightly complicated picture.
     
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    Cali, I am not going into the discussion about migrants, immigrants, however you want to call them. I am just speaking about refugees, the people who had to leave their homes because of imminent danger for their lives and because they can't return to their homes. I think there should be distinction between the two.
     
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    Okay, so why does it follow that because the U.S. destabilized those areas, Western countries must take in massive numbers of migrants?
     
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    Right, and isn't it funny how the Arab tyrants, most notably the Saudis and their royal prince friends in Kuwait and the Emirates, always avoid footing the bill for the chaos in the Middle East? Somehow the Saudis manage to pull off, all at one time, the following: funding and arming ISIS, condemning ISIS, not sending troops into war-torn areas, and getting the U.S. operatives to serve Saudi interests.
     
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    Well how can you distinguish between the two when they are all flooding across the Mediterranean? Everyone in the Middle East, it appears, can give you a sob story about why they deserve to enter Europe. Does that mean they all should be allowed in? I think you are personalizing this issue because you were once a refugee, but you are failing to understand that the same leaders in America and Europe who destabilized the Middle East are now the ones facilitating the mass migration. It is all one connected saga. Allowing this flood of migrants into Europe ultimately will help neither the Middle East nor Europe, but just leave both worse off.
     
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    Oh I understand all that. And isn't it nice that we are safe here an ocean away from all the mess that's happening over there?

    The first thing that needs to happen is to stop the fighting.
     
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    I know I am risking being mocked by Cali, but these are the little, innocent people I think about when I think of refugees:

     
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    The video is funny and cute, but immigration policy is a more serious matter than daycare frolicking among children. You cannot allow policy to be dictated by such emotions.

    However, if you want to go that emotional route, imagine kids that age - both migrant and European - being raped by migrant men. That has happened in Munich, Vienna, Sweden, and Stuttgart. That is just as sordid as your video is innocent and jolly.
     
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    these are all very good points for discussion -- and they are based on likely good observations.

    HOWEVER -- RAPE : which society or religion of the 'monotheistic" ones have in SOME PAGE somewhere has not condoned it?

    look at the PSALMS of the bible -- plenty of BLOOD AND LUST AND RAPE.;

    therefore to single out islam because it ''prescribes' such things does not quite hold water as a matter or argument even if ''the average muslim male is more apt to commit" as might be argued based on tha tobservations about the 'tenets of islam".

    CONQUEST? -- ENSLAVEMENT? -GENOCIDE?

    IT IS ALL THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE in the ''christian" , judaic beliefs ...

    what do peole THINK was one of the justifications for the GENOCIDE AND RAPE AND TORTURE of native peoples -- the africans - their kidnapping and enslavement in the tens and tens of millions across CENTURIES

    IN order to BUILD the prosperity of EUROPE AND BRITAIN AND THE USA?

    oh my -- they held on one hand the sygils of CHRISTIANITY -- and on the other their swords and cannons

    THE FACT that europeans and westerners can sit and make judgments about ''these muslim migrants who come and RAPE OUR WOMEN AND CHILDREN -- and TRASH our wonderful pretty, clean cities!!! how dare THEY?"

    comes after CENTURIES of western ''christian" Plunder, Pillage and Rape, enslavement, torture and genocide of OTHERS in THEIR lands

    seems to escape some of you or westerners who NOW profess being OFFENDED ...

    that what the WEST HAS UNLEASHED IN ITS WARS OF CONQUEST AND EXPLOITATION -- since hundreds of years ago -- IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST --

    now comes back to the WEST in the form of MIGRANTS among WHOM are unstable RAPISTS - killers, thieves, and yes -- TERRORISTS who , seeing they are being BOMBED to smithereens by the ONLY CHRISTIANS that ACTUALLY cared about BOTH muslims and christians and others in syria and the middle east -- the RUSSIAN ORTHODOX! -- AND finding their SPONSORS AMERICANS and NATO AND EU unable or unwilling to STOP THEIR WAR-MAKING and terrorist CREATION THAT ARE THE REAL CAUSES OF SUCH ''MIGRATION" -

    - and their collaborating brutish arab OIL "royalty" -- straight from the days of Lawrence of Arabia for their OIL -- just AS easily as their silk and incense and gold and jewels long ago were for the WESTERNERS and northerners --

    NOW COME TO EUROPE AND AMERICA AND THE WEST

    who went abroad with their ADVENTURES for their empires that built their ''prosperity" while LEAVING the other lands in CHAOS and poverty!

    so -- WHY COMPLAIN?

    these are teh FRUITS OF WESTERN, EUROPEAN, BRITISH, AMERICAN IMPERIALISM OF hundreds of years in the making!

    DO NOT THEN COMPLAIN about ''those muslims, those rapist men, those migrants, those terrorists"

    YOU brought them to yourselves! because LONG before these ''migrants" today and the rapists and terrorists among them CAME?

    TO DISRUPT YUOUR SOCIETIES?

    YOUR OWN SOCIETIES DID THAT TO THEIRS !

    THAT'S WHAT migrants are about!

    a NOTE:

    migrants -- among them rapists or similar behaving , likely mostly younger ''hot-blooded" men looking for trouble or what they think are ''fun" - and away from their native ''natural social controls" and now ''unfettered" as they abandon themselves to ''fun'' -- have also appeared in RUSSIA .

    and they go to clubs --a group tried that in some clubs in moscow -- groping women --

    and SWIFTLY the russian guys --

    ''invited" them out to the street and park and BEAT THEM UP - to ''educate them"

    end of story -- no more groping by migratns as they are shown how to BEHAVE towards women whether their OWN or russians -- .

    now That's how to deal with it -- RATHER THAN COMPLAIN about the CONSEQUENCES OF WESTERN -- and certainly NOT RUSSIAN -- ACTS OF WAR in the lands where the west should NOT have started things to begin with!
    how quickly people of the ''civilizations" that brought this on themselves -- who complain only about the CONSEQUENCES they DON'T like when it HITS them directly -- but for centuries thought LITTLE of what their own nations DID TO OTHERS from whom these consequences COME --

    FORGET THAT SIMPLE LITTLE RULE :

    "of all evils -- the most to be feared is WAR -- because out of war COMES ALL OTHER EVILS".

    now take that to bed - westerners and think and COUNT how many BILLIONS over time and place YOUR OWN PRECIOUS WESTERN ''Christian civilization" HAS sent into MISERY !




     
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