Bob Hewitt expelled from the Hall of Fame

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  1. britbox

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    wow didn't know you can go in and out of HOF!
     
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    You just have to touch up a few kids.
     
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    thought he didn't pay rent, dirty old man :lol3:

    what about players who entered HOF and later to be found out that they doped :rolleyes:
     
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    Anyone in mind?
     
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    come on matey, you know i got to be politically correct in this day and age. So the answer is No, they are all perfectly clean (unless there is a public 'action' showing evidence and stuff, which the governing body engineers and dictates).
     
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    I thought you may have had an eye on Agassi... with the meth admittance. I'd have let that go... but messing around with kids... no no.
     
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    exactly, that can't be tolerated. should we trust the ATP (all their testing and reporting) so Agassi was all clean in his career or Agassi himself who said he took meth?

    perfect world if we just be PC and trust every PC crap, gender equality and all that sh!t. Just think like Moxie and the world is a great place :yahoo:

    I was glad that the Armstrong case was published finally and Agassi did 'open up', or more people would still buy the crap they are fed with. Question is , are all members of the big 4 as clean as they want us to believe? too much money on the table, i guess.
     
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    Don't trust the ATP/ITF at all.... conflict of interests.
     
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    @Ricardo : You've just proven that you don't even understand what PC means. It certainly doesn't mean sweeping things under the rug or ignoring offenses. It actually has no bearing on this conversation. There is no "politically" correct answer to a pedophile. The answer to him is what is judicially and honorably correct. Sentence him to jail, and strip him of his status in tennis history. Which is what they did.
     
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    just what i thought, with your limited intellect you missed the point. I might have side-tracked a little, but ATP and other sport bodies do go PC by essentially saying they always do the right thing (about doping and things). That is the bs part, they all pretend to be 'fair' but let's just say under the tables, they let the big fish go (Sharapova was an exception), yet the PC thing was that they run the sport 'fair', and 'clean' (isn't the case apparently).

    and you can't really strip anyones 'status', let say one of the big 3 turns into a rapist in future, he can be stripped of HOF or whatever medals etc, but he is still remembered as a tennis champion (who wronged), can't change history. He won his slams, and he committed crimes, two separate things.
     
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    Ricardo, I think it's you who couldn't find the point if it were as large as a basketball, and the target were the head of a pin. But your round-about has been illuminating. I get maybe why people dislike political correctness so much: they mis-define it. You equate it with obfuscation and underhandedness. A complete misunderstanding of the concept. That explains a lot, if you're not the only one who thinks that way. (Though I sincerely hope you are.) In any case, yes, a pedophile can be stripped of his status: they took him out of the Tennis Hall of Fame. I would think that defines stripping someone of a certain status in the history of the sport.
     
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    alright fine, always knew one cannot take a feminist's view (or intellect) seriously.

    about tennis players, their status comes from their achievements. unless you can erase his 'win' (like being singles/doubles slam champion), his status as a tennis champ doesn't change. HOF is more or less some kind of recognition of a player, your status as tennis champ (based on your wins only) doesn't change. doesn't matter how disgusted i am with a paedophile (and think they deserve the max penalty applicable), these two things cannot be equated.
     
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    Ricardo, I don't call myself a feminist, you do, (because you consider it an insult) though it has no bearing on this thread. You scramble the notions of political correctness with an ITF sanction and so you lash out at me because I pointed that out. I'm a woman, as you know, and I'm expressing my opinions on this forum and in this thread. This one is neither about feminism nor political correctness. My view deserves as much respect as anyone else's. (I won't address the notion that a feminist has no intellect. You and I both know there are real feminist thinkers who would run rings around you.) As to the actual point at hand: no, the ITF hasn't expunged the man's wins in his career, as was done to Lance Armstrong, so it is possible. But they stripped him of honors, which does change his "status." This is all I said.
     
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    @Ricardo - I think in the case of Bob Hewitt, he will be remembered as the tennis player who messed around with kids over his tennis achievements... that would be the first thought that would come into my head at least.
     
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    you are right about that, exactly what comes to my mind about him. i always thought those messing around with kids should be put away like murderers.
     
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    where can i find them real feminist thinkers? all i see is some big mouth idiots who flood the media these days with nonsense crap, talks if the world owes them and the society fails them. you are a self-proclaimed feminist in the past, why change now? just look at your argument before, like men dominate sports because they are made to suit men's strengths..... that is just stupid, there isn't a single aspect of atheletism in which top men can't match or don't surpass top women, but not vice versa; hence the results. just had to point out the silly feminist argument you always seem to bring.

    To my point about status, Armstrong is still a cycling champ (his status) while at the same time a disgrace to that sport. Same as Korda, who obviously is still a former AO champ despite being caught doping later - unless they reverse the medal to the losing finalist or even backtrack for all the players who lost to him. So he still retains that status (former AO champ) since it's not possible.
     
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    There are no feminists 'flooding the media.' No wonder you can't name a single feminist thinker. (Besides the fact that you're an anti-intellectual, so wouldn't know the famous ones, anyway.) There are people who speak to equality for the various minority groups in sports and in work, etc., men and women, but most are not really "feminists." "Feminism" has basically been absorbed into progressive thought, so it isn't necessarily distinguished, for most people. Sorry, but the 1970s moved on without you. It's sad that you have to insist endlessly that men are so much better at sports, even when men and women rarely compete directly. Why does it bother you, if women do well in sports on their own terms? Can't that just be fine? (And yes, there is an example of top women beating top men h2h: ultra-marathoning. So it can happen. Not to mention figure-skating, which you can't address with examples, even though you brought it up.) But I'm just wallowing at your level now, and being petty.

    Armstrong has been stripped of all of his Tour de France wins. He is no longer a cycling champ. That is a reversal of his status. I don't know how else one can take that.
     
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    Don't agree on Armstrong - PED's turned him from a top drawer classics racer into a Grand Tour champion. The thing with doping is that people think that if they're all doing it then you'd get the same results if they weren't all doing it.

    That isn't the case, because if you look at hematocrit levels (red blood cells) and the explosion of EPO in cycling, it was deemed that a reading of anything upto 50 was acceptable and not classed as doping. Bjarne Riis was Mr 60% when he won the Tour in the 90s... they levelled it at 50 after because a few dutch cyclists with high readings died of heart attacks.

    So, if Cyclist 1 had a natural hematocrit reading of 46 and Cyclist 2 had a natural hematocrit reading of 40, then Cyclist 2 benefits far more by taking his blood count upto 50 than Cyclist 1.

    Ullrich who finished a bunch of tours second to Armstrong (and was also doping) had a better natural engine than Lance. If neither were doping, I reckon he'd have won more and Lance less.

    It also puts a crap historical perspective on things when you have Lance winning all those tours and guys like Lemond (who won 3), when Lemond was probably clean-ish.
     
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    There is nothing worse than reading about the abuse of children and women, to me. So anybody caught doing it should be stripped of everything and jailed for a long time.
     
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