US OPEN, Flushing Meadows, NY, USA, GRAND SLAM (Men)

Author: Moxie
Date: August 26, 2016

DATE: August 29 – September 11, 2016
SURFACE: HARD
PRIZE MONEY: $21,862,744
FIELD SIZE: 128
DEFENDING CHAMPION: Novak Djokovic

Seeds:
1. Novak Djokovic, Serbia
2. Andy Murray, Great Britain
3. Stan Wawrinka, Switzerland
4. Rafael Nadal, Spain
5. Milos Raonic, Canada
6. Kei Nishikori, Japan
7. Marin Cilic, Croatia
8. Dominic Thiem, Austria
9. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, France
10. Gael Monfils, France
11. David Ferrer, Spain
12. David Goffin, Belgium
13. Richard Gasquet, France
14. Nick Kyrgios, Australia
15. Roberto Bautista Agut, Spain
16. Feliciano Lopez, Spain
17. Bernard Tomic, Australia
18. Pablo Cuevas, Uruguay
19. Steve Johnson, United States
20. John Isner, United States
21. Ivo Karlovic, Croatia
22. Grigor Dimitrov, Bulgaria
23. Kevin Anderson, South Africa
24. Lucas Pouille, France
25. Philipp Kohlschreiber, Germany
26. Jack Sock, United States
27. Alexander Zverev, Germany
28. Martin Klizan, Slovakia
29. Sam Querrey, United States
30. Gilles Simon, France
31. Albert Ramos-Vinolas, Spain
32. Benoit Paire, France

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Photo: Kiu Kaffir/Discuss.Tennis

The Tournament:

The US Open Tennis Championships is a hardcourt tennis tournament that began life as the U.S. National Championship in 1881.

The venue for the championship is the USTA Billie Jean King National Tennis Center in Flushing Meadows–Corona Park, Queens, New York City. It’s former home was the Forest Hills complex.

The tournament consists of men’s and women’s singles, men’s and women’s doubles, and mixed doubles, with additional tournaments for senior, junior, and wheelchair players.

The US Open is the only Grand Slam that employs tiebreakers in every set of a match. For the other three Grand Slam events.

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Photo: Kiu Kaffir/Discuss.Tennis

The Players:

Novak Djokovic, the defending champion and world number one heads the field in Flushing Meadows. Djokovic will be the favourite entering the tournament, although perhaps not the overwhelming favourite in light of recent issues with his wrist. The Serb was surprised early in the Olympics by Juan Del Potro and hasn’t played since.

Del Potro, who went on to secure the silver medal in Rio will be unseeded in New York and a dangerous floater in the draw.

Britain’s Andy Murray is the in-form player entering 2016’s final major. Murray won 22 matches on the spin, securing titles at Queens and Wimbledon before successfully defending his Olympic title. He was one match away from winning Cincinnati before fatigue, and an inspired Marin Cilic broke his streak. The 2012 champion will be looking to secure his fourth career major.

Rafael Nadal‘s highly documented wrist problems combined with an intensive physical programme at the Olympics mean he isn’t coming into the US Open in optimum shape. However, The 2010 and 2013 winner has surprised people on many occasions in the past and even having in him in the draw adds to the tournament’s lustre.

Marin Cilic enjoyed a solid Wimbledon campaign and looked in great form when defeating Murray in the Cincinnati Masters final. The New York surface will favour Cilic’s game and the 2014 champion has the potential to make another great run.

Kei Nishikori has made the finals here before in 2014, although the longer match format of the grand slam events can take a cumulative toll on the Japanese. He’s had a consistent 2016 however, and shouldn’t be overlooked.

Milos Raonic and Gael Monfils are also entering the Open on the back of a good year and will be considered dark horses to make an impression at the business end of proceedings.

Young guns, Dominic Thiem and Alexander Zverev have both had good years. Thiem was on a tear earlier in the season before fatigue and injury niggles set in. He’s rested coming into New York and will look to recapture his early season form.

2016 has been a breakout year for Zverev and while it’s probably too early to consider him as a genuine grand slam contender, he will be one to watch.

Roger Federer is the marquee name missing from the draw. Federer closed the curtain on his 2016 campaign to focus on an intensive knee rehabilitation programme. He will next be in action at the Hopman Cup in January 2017.

About New York

To get beyond the obvious about New York, let me offer you that New York loves a parade. And the best one during the US Open is the West Indian Day Parade on Labor Day. It is our Carnival, held in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. Elaborate costumes and music feature. The parade attracts literally millions annually. Lesser known, but with a quirky and loyal following is the Mermaid Parade in Coney Island. And of course, we offer a ticker-tape parade to celebrate our heroes. The last one New York hosted was for the US Women’s Soccer team when they won the World Cup.

The skyline of Manhattan is iconic, of course, but there are a few new additions: the Freedom Tower, and the Calatrava metro station.

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Comments

1,319 thoughts on “US OPEN, Flushing Meadows, NY, USA, GRAND SLAM (Men)”

  1. teddytennisfan says:

    THANKS for opening this Moxie.

    i won't 'spam' it with ''non-tennis" politics. i know you get annoyed.

    if i have to — i'll post in more ''outside related" threads.

    WHO ARE YOUR main picks?

  2. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    For me, Djokovic and Murray are the clear favourites.

  3. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    Cilic could be dangerous if he gets into the second week. I'll be interested to see if Thiem and Zverev can get into the second week. I like both of them.

  4. isabelle says:

    some beautiful pictures of NY, thanks a lot Moxie
    for me Nole and Murray are fav but who knows what can happen before the final ??? some surprises are always possible, it's sport's law and I enjoy surprises very much

  5. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    For me, Djokovic and Murray are the clear favourites.

    still looks like that to me too. i think they're both head above others right now based on their year consistency. amazing really .

    what's great is there's quite a healthy mix of challengers and the ever-so-slight ''vulnerability" of even NOLE AND ANDY – right at the height of their careers — gives that bit of ''u never know" feature…

    EXCITING to keep us really guessing, hehe.

  6. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Cilic could be dangerous if he gets into the second week. I'll be interested to see if Thiem and Zverev can get into the second week. I like both of them.

    THIEM did say he has been playing a bit much, didn't he? maybe coming to the USO – he's had a good rest – and should be in good shape. and eager.

    CILIC – i was frankly VERY surprised at how consistently he obviously had to perform to take that cinci over HOT ANDY. i mean — at the VEY moment – we all know it's been andy that's been THE player . and he has the game that easily disrupts any player – ESPECIALLY someone like cilic who hasn't been around much lately.

    so i was really , really surprised. and when i caught their finals – i was even more suprised at how it was HE that made andy get so frustrated. ..ESPECIALLY because we know how well andy can PLAY THROUGH his temper and WIN… u know? LOL!!

  7. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Cilic could be dangerous if he gets into the second week. I'll be interested to see if Thiem and Zverev can get into the second week. I like both of them.

    THIEM did say he has been playing a bit much, didn't he? maybe coming to the USO – he's had a good rest – and should be in good shape. and eager.

    CILIC – i was frankly VERY surprised at how consistently he obviously had to perform to take that cinci over HOT ANDY. i mean — at the VEY moment – we all know it's been andy that's been THE player . and he has the game that easily disrupts any player – ESPECIALLY someone like cilic who hasn't been around much lately.

    so i was really , really surprised. and when i caught their finals – i was even more suprised at how it was HE that made andy get so frustrated. ..ESPECIALLY because we know how well andy can PLAY THROUGH his temper and WIN… u know? LOL!!

  8. teddytennisfan says:

    that west indian parade is in my neighborhood – brooklyn — THAT is somethign to behold, really. ! it's REAL fun compared to the older traditional other parades like the ''macy's" on thanksgiving ..the west indian parade is more like real community . i love it. also because it includes amazing caribbean FOOD on the streets!! yum, yum.

    that calatrava new metro station — i passed through there a month ago – when i was getting my tourist visa to st petersburg russia. it's almost finished they say – and the big open floor in the center right under the 'wings' roof is supposed to be like an open market with stalls, or something like that. you can just look down on from the balcony all around it.

    makes that 9/11 come back to me — passing under the actual devastation by the subway train – you could LITERALLY smell the death..for months and months..

  9. teddytennisfan says:

    i'm nervous for my favorite SERENA. SHE'S been a bit ''off" lately – in terms of consistency, i think – and while it's understandable that it's been a VERY prolonged TOP player effort on her part – and at her age too – i just want her to continue and GET those few more MAJORS!! ALL THE WAY TO OVER 24!! HEHE.

    she's got a few serious competition right now — MUGURUZA AND KEYS can go toe to toe in power — and KERBER is in her best year ever — but ………….NO ONE BUT NO ONE is better than SERENA AT HER VERY VERY BEST!! SO……….

    COME ON SERENA!!

  10. teddytennisfan says:

    isabellesome beautiful pictures of NY, thanks a lot Moxie
    for me Nole and Murray are fav but who knows what can happen before the final ??? some surprises are always possible, it's sport's law and I enjoy surprises very much

    WHAT about RAFA? what do you all think about his form and chances? if he gets close to his former level – there's still FEW players around outside of Nole and Andy, and maybe Del Potro that can really be serious rivals in a match, i think…and if in good physical shape – we all know he's got the game, variety and experience to navigate the rounds — done it 14 times, after all..

    so i like to put him among the serious title contenders. or at least to the semis if not finals.

  11. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Cilic could be dangerous if he gets into the second week. I'll be interested to see if Thiem and Zverev can get into the second week. I like both of them.

    the zverev kid – he's literally a KID right? might be nice to see if he is matched up against — ahem — KYRGIOS!! hehe.

  12. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    US OPEN DRAW

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  13. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    teddytennisfanthe zverev kid – he's literally a KID right? might be nice to see if he is matched up against — ahem — KYRGIOS!! hehe.

    Youngest player in the Top 50 at 19. He's got Daniel Brands in the first round – should win that one. "Sascha" Zverev and Dominic Thiem are my two faves coming through from the young guns.

  14. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    Novak gets Jerzy Janowicz in the opening round. Rafa has gets Istomin. Milos has DreddyTennis – Dustin Brown, I'll be rooting for Dustin in that one, entertainer par excellence. Monfils has a potentially tricky match with Gilles Muller.

    Ferrer has Dolgo – a tough first round for the Spanish veteran. Ditto… Stan with Fernando Verdasco.

    Feliciano Lopez won't be too happy drawing Borna Coric in round one.

    Andy Murray gets Lukas Rosol.

    Some interesting first rounders!

  15. teddytennisfan says:

    britboxNovak gets Jerzy Janowicz in the opening round. Rafa has gets Istomin. Milos has DreddyTennis – Dustin Brown, I'll be rooting for Dustin in that one, entertainer par excellence. Monfils has a potentially tricky match with Gilles Muller.

    Ferrer has Dolgo – a tough first round for the Spanish veteran. Ditto… Stan with Fernando Verdasco.

    Feliciano Lopez won't be too happy drawing Borna Coric in round one.

    Andy Murray gets Lukas Rosol.

    Some interesting first rounders!

    oi — these are not run of the mill first rounders against the famous players.

  16. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    teddytennisfanTHIEM did say he has been playing a bit much, didn't he? maybe coming to the USO – he's had a good rest – and should be in good shape. and eager.

    CILIC – i was frankly VERY surprised at how consistently he obviously had to perform to take that cinci over HOT ANDY. i mean — at the VEY moment – we all know it's been andy that's been THE player . and he has the game that easily disrupts any player – ESPECIALLY someone like cilic who hasn't been around much lately.

    so i was really , really surprised. and when i caught their finals – i was even more suprised at how it was HE that made andy get so frustrated. ..ESPECIALLY because we know how well andy can PLAY THROUGH his temper and WIN… u know? LOL!!

    I hope Dominic is fully rested and fit – he played so much tennis earlier in the season he was due to hit a brick wall. I love this guy's game and he's the only one of the top youngsters coming through who plays with a single hander on the backhand wing.

    He'll have to be ready… he's got John Millman in the first round – a journeyman Aussie, but in good form at the moment.

  17. Billie says:

    New York, New York….

    It seems that all players 6-4 and taller are in Nole's path. That can't be good.:negative:

  18. teddytennisfan says:

    britboxI hope Dominic is fully rested and fit – he played so much tennis earlier in the season he was due to hit a brick wall. I love this guy's game and he's the only one of the top youngsters coming through who plays with a single hander on the backhand wing.

    He'll have to be ready… he's John Millman in the first round – a journeyman Aussie, but in good form at the moment.

    oh — i caught millman's amazing game ! he IS good, such a tough player and fighter!!

    he reminded me almost of Lleyton's fighting but millman has a more all-court style.

  19. Billie says:

    britboxNovak gets Jerzy Janowicz in the opening round. Rafa has gets Istomin. Milos has DreddyTennis – Dustin Brown, I'll be rooting for Dustin in that one, entertainer par excellence. Monfils has a potentially tricky match with Gilles Muller.

    Ferrer has Dolgo – a tough first round for the Spanish veteran. Ditto… Stan with Fernando Verdasco.

    Feliciano Lopez won't be too happy drawing Borna Coric in round one.

    Andy Murray gets Lukas Rosol.

    Some interesting first rounders!

    Yeah, really interesting. Some of these matches could be a semi or a final of a ATP 250 tournament.

  20. teddytennisfan says:

    BillieNew York, New York….

    It seems that all players 6-4 and taller are in Nole's path. That can't be good.:negative:

    definitely they lumped them on NOLE. so here's where his legendary return of serve has to be on form!!! once the ball is in play — it's HIS to lose.

  21. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Novak gets Jerzy Janowicz in the opening round. Rafa has gets Istomin. Milos has DreddyTennis – Dustin Brown, I'll be rooting for Dustin in that one, entertainer par excellence. Monfils has a potentially tricky match with Gilles Muller.

    Ferrer has Dolgo – a tough first round for the Spanish veteran. Ditto… Stan with Fernando Verdasco.

    Feliciano Lopez won't be too happy drawing Borna Coric in round one.

    Andy Murray gets Lukas Rosol.

    Some interesting first rounders!

    jerzy and lukas are so UNpredictable.

    tehy REALLY have the game against any of the top players – but can't seem to put it togethr consistently.

    these are two of the uncannily gifted players that are so big , powerful, with all the weapons and MOVE so well for their size —
    but have a messy attic up there, lol.

  22. teddytennisfan says:

    BillieYeah, really interesting. Some of these matches could be a semi or a final of a ATP 250 tournament.

    so TRUE!

    we all know these are ''late'' years , relatively, for even the likes of NOLE AND ANDY at the top of their games – and nadal too – —

    but it feels STRANGE not to see ROGER FEDERER. u know?
    we've gotten so used to his being a top group contender — it feels WEIRD not talking about HIS match-ups.

  23. Billie says:

    teddytennisfandefinitely they lumped them on NOLE. so here's where his legendary return of serve has to be on form!!! once the ball is in play — it's HIS to lose.

    As if that was one of the criteria to get them in his part of the draw.:lol3:

    It seems to me that everything has to be on form for Nole from the start, Teddy!!! I wouldn't worry as much normally, but with the wrist issue, who knows how that'll go. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.:yesyes:

  24. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    BillieAs if that was one of the criteria to get them in his part of the draw.:lol3:

    It seems to me that everything has to be on form for Nole from the start, Teddy!!! I wouldn't worry as much normally, but with the wrist issue, who knows how that'll go. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.:yesyes:

    I think if Novak gets to the semis, then he wins the whole thing.

  25. Billie says:

    britboxI think if Novak gets to the semis, then he wins the whole thing.

    Possibly. I don't remember the last time he failed to reach the semis since 2006. We'll se..

    And BTW: who knows why New York is called Big Apple?:scratch:

  26. Carol says:

    I will be day by day, match to match to get the idea who will be able to win this USO, meanwhile I'd rather not anticipated events. Of course I'd love to see Rafa in the final and if he get the "15" much better but right now I have not any idea who will win 🙂

  27. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    Press Conference Highlights

  28. Billie says:

    ^^^ Isn't he asked this at every tournament, and hasn't he answered the same way to the same questions? These reporters should get a bit innovative, IMO. LOL

  29. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    Billie^^^ Isn't he asked this at every tournament, and hasn't he answered the same way to the same questions? These reporters should get a bit innovative, IMO. LOL

    Yeah, the reporters questions are generally very "vanilla"… as are the responses 🙂

  30. Billie says:

    britboxYeah, the reporters questions are generally very "vanilla"… as are the responses 🙂

    Honestly, who wants to hear the same ol' same ol'. Ask about Enrique Iglesias concert, if nothing interesting comes to their minds. :lulz2:

  31. Susan DePalma says:

    BilliePossibly. I don't remember the last time he failed to reach the semis since 2006. We'll se..

    And BTW: who knows why New York is called Big Apple?:scratch:

    One story is that jazz musicians started calling it that…the big place to get a gig.

  32. teddytennisfan says:
    Billie

    As if that was one of the criteria to get them in his part of the draw.:lol3:

    It seems to me that everything has to be on form for Nole from the start, Teddy!!! I wouldn't worry as much normally, but with the wrist issue, who knows how that'll go. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.:yesyes:

    Billie

    Possibly. I don't remember the last time he failed to reach the semis since 2006. We'll se..

    And BTW: who knows why New York is called Big Apple?:scratch:

    it's based on the APPLE being associated with ''usa'' in its national mythologies. being that apple is one of the most abundant and easy to grow – part of the common diet, holidays…a healthy fruit ..

    and in the mythologies one of the famous ''founding fathers" benjamin franklin was said to have made one of his scientific discoveries or ideas sitting under an apple tree and an apple fell on his head and he got an idea…that kind of thing…

    so , since NYC is the most important financial center – it's called the BIG APPLE.

    it's the same as when americans say something is 'AS american as apple pie" – meaning it's a GOOD american trait.

  33. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    One story is that jazz musicians started calling it that…the big place to get a gig.

    ya — like the ''big city" – like the way people go to a place to find their fortune. that kind of thing…

  34. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    I think if Novak gets to the semis, then he wins the whole thing.

    he should have the stamina at least as good as anyone. his draw is very heavy , though.

  35. teddytennisfan says:

    BillieAs if that was one of the criteria to get them in his part of the draw.:lol3:

    It seems to me that everything has to be on form for Nole from the start, Teddy!!! I wouldn't worry as much normally, but with the wrist issue, who knows how that'll go. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.:yesyes:

    they always do something like that in USO . i don't know if any of you recall many years ago during roger's heights in the mid-2000's.

    it actually got ''leaked' on new york times – and i read it myself before it DISAPPEARED a couple of hours later online – before the draws were publicly announced that opening sunday – and the times was to be delivered in the sunday edition.

    maybe they lost control of it…but anyway…

    the sports page showed the ''draw" – rememer – this was BEFORE hthat public drawing.

    in it was a short article by a nyc sports writer – a woman (she probably got fired for that) ..

    she managed to get into the conference office of the USTA new building the arthur ashe..and no one was there …and on the table she photographed and published in her article a memo pad..with pencil scratched draws…

    in its was the draw of roger federer…

    and the first 3 rounds:

    roger federer — qualifier
    roger federer — qualifier
    roger federer — qualifier

    apparently some online readers CAUGHT it onlineand made posts and comments…
    then – it disappeared from online.

    by hours later of that – the new ''final'' edition of the paper printed

    federer – qualifier
    federer — qualifier

    ''just" 2 rounds instead of 3…

    i mean if people review over the years — that's been veryy noticeable in roger's draws. the first rounds ALWAYS tended to be far, far easier than anyone of the other top rivals in their own quarters – as if to make sure – he reached second week – fresh, well-practiced, with lots of gas left in the tank…

    remember also that year they gave sampras probably one of the most fearsome draws you can ever see?

    2001 –

    he had to beat all in a row :
    Patrick Rafter – 2001 wimbledon finalist and really resurgent
    Andre Agassi – 2000,2001 Aussie Champ and number3?
    Marat Safin – 2000 Defending Champ who beat pete the year before, world #2?

    and had no gas left for Lleyton – 2000 Wimby champ and world number 1.

    AND pete , due to rain delays – had to beat the last 3 in consecutive days, if i remember correctly.

    lol.

  36. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    Novak's Draw:

    Probables

    R1: Janowicz
    R2: Vesely
    R3: Klizan or Youhzny
    R4: Isner or Gaquet
    QF: Cilic or Tsonga or maybe Sock
    SF: Rafa or Monfils or Raonic
    F: Murray or anyone else from the bottom half of the draw

    Vesely might be interesting as he's already beaten Djoker this year… I don't see anyone else causing problems until the QF. An in-form Cilic might be a threat and then he might meet Rafa in the semis.

  37. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    Rafa's Draw

    Probables

    R1: Istomin
    R2: Robert or Seppi
    R3: Bellucci, Benneteau or Ramos-Vinolas
    R4: Pouille or Bautista Agut
    QF: Raonic or Monfils
    SF: Novak
    F: Murray or anyone else from the bottom half of the draw

    Rafa's got a decent draw through to the Quarters. Bellucci is an enigma but can't see him doing it over a 5 set format.

  38. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    Murray's Draw

    Probables

    R1: Rosol
    R2: Granollers or Monaco
    R3: Simon
    R4: Lopez or Dimitrov
    QF: Nishikori or Goffin
    SF: Stan, Thiem, Delpo
    F: Novak, Rafa or anyone else from the Top Half.

    Murray is safe IMO until the Quarters. Dimitrov might take a set but he isn't winning that match over 5. I think Murray has a great chance to go all the way to the finals. Biggest doubts with Muzza are how he performs in the final and that depends on who he gets. I don't think he'll relish a final with Rafa let alone Djoker… anyone else I think he wins the USO.

  39. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    Murray's Draw

    Probables

    R1: Rosol
    R2: Granollers or Monaco
    R3: Simon
    R4: Lopez or Dimitrov
    QF: Nishikori or Goffin
    SF: Stan, Thiem, Delpo
    F: Novak, Rafa or anyone else from the Top Half.

    Murray is safe IMO until the Quarters. Dimitrov might take a set but he isn't winning that match over 5. I think Murray has a great chance to go all the way to the finals. Biggest doubts with Muzza are how he performs in the final and that depends on who he gets. I don't think he'll relish a final with Rafa let alone Djoker… anyone else I think he wins the USO.

  40. teddytennisfan says:
    Carol

    I will be day by day, match to match to get the idea who will be able to win this USO, meanwhile I'd rather not anticipated events. Of course I'd love to see Rafa in the final and if he get the "15" much better but right now I have not any idea who will win 🙂

    come to think of it — we actually have 3 of the top level players nursing a wrist condition.

    NOLE, RAFA, DELPO!!

  41. teddytennisfan says:

    britboxRafa's Draw

    Probables

    R1: Istomin
    R2: Robert or Seppi
    R3: Bellucci, Benneteau or Ramos-Vinolas
    R4: Pouille or Bautista Agut
    QF: Raonic or Monfils
    SF: Novak
    F: Murray or anyone else from the bottom half of the draw

    Rafa's got a decent draw through to the Quarters. Bellucci is an enigma but can't see him doing it over a 5 set format.

    RAFA will be tested by these players but he can handle it even in his current form , i think. to get to at least quarters , maybe even mor.e

    monfils gets that far – you can NEVER tell – he's been so brilliant lately.

  42. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    On a sidenote, a little on how the ballkids train…

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNSMJDYXR_c%5D

  43. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    On a sidenote, a little on how the ballkids train…

    HAHA. remember that phenomenal ball kid at the AUSSIE some years ago? how HE caught the ball with one hand by just lunging at it? boy — he was a STAR!!!

  44. Susan DePalma says:

    If Rafa's wrist holds out, he can get anyone in his draw, including Nole at the USO. He has before. Finger's crossed.

  45. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    If Rafa's wrist holds out, he can get anyone in his draw, including Nole at the USO. He has before. Finger's crossed.

    DEFINITELY — in recent years — NOLE really has had his number — but then which player really hasn't nole done that with? that's part of being THE BEST after all — just like RAFA in his turn before that.

    but we all know – as the best of the best in history — they have the games to beat the other and it all boils down to a few critical mistakes here and there that are just human nature – no matter how great.

    i can't wait for this US O to get started!! lets just hope they're ALL in good health , fit, all that nagging injury business behind them for a while more and they bring some of their VINTAGE BEST! each of them

    boy — we could be in for SOME USopen big battles!!

    come on RAFA you can do it still – and the great rivals like NOLE AND ANDY AND DELPO should be ready to bring their best!!

  46. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieIf Rafa's wrist holds out, he can get anyone in his draw, including Nole at the USO. He has before. Finger's crossed.

    maybe rafa REALLY did need that long lay-off after all. sometimes conditions like that wrist can be more than just what the doctor says is enough, isn't it? it's still person by person…

    but what i liked about RAFA'S rio — nevermind that distasteful loss to KEI and that long ''shower" break — was RAFA brought in the week his FIGHT and finished every match playing with FIRE.

  47. teddytennisfan says:

    britboxOn a sidenote, a little on how the ballkids train…

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNSMJDYXR_c%5D

    ONE thing i PREFER the AUSSIE , wimby and FO — is they retain CHILDREN as ball kids.

    the USA has tended to become more 'adult ball-kids' over the years – i noticed – unless i am wrong – but i know they DO have a 'ball-kids casting call" and it s a paid job really – so lots of grown-ups go for it.

    but i still like seeing the courts done by REAL kids, u know? just sentimental, i guess.

  48. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Murray's Draw

    Probables

    R1: Rosol
    R2: Granollers or Monaco
    R3: Simon
    R4: Lopez or Dimitrov
    QF: Nishikori or Goffin
    SF: Stan, Thiem, Delpo
    F: Novak, Rafa or anyone else from the Top Half.

    Murray is safe IMO until the Quarters. Dimitrov might take a set but he isn't winning that match over 5. I think Murray has a great chance to go all the way to the finals. Biggest doubts with Muzza are how he performs in the final and that depends on who he gets. I don't think he'll relish a final with Rafa let alone Djoker… anyone else I think he wins the USO.

    andy might not relish finals with nole or rafa IF both are in top shape — bu i think also think andy's recent form – belief in himself — has made strides that i think will bring him just that extra ''fight' against either nole or rafa .

    at their levels – THEIRS – and very few others , if any – it's almost always crap-shoot – just throw the dice and see how it falls. lol!!

    ya — dimitrov might take a set – MIGHT — but to me ANDY is just too good – MORE authoritative in his shot making (i mean on his own style) , far more consistent in hitting high quality shots , and just plain PHYSICALLY stronger, imo. dimitrov's fancier game isn't going to blind andy at all, imo.

    i mean this is andy who's beaten ROGER convincingly when roger was playing at his very best — and dimitrov is far from that.

  49. teddytennisfan says:

    i just realized we are having FIVE USO champs playing more or less in some good form at least.

    NOLE – ANDY – RAFA – DELPO — CILIC

    wow.
    and then WAWRINKA can come up with an uncanny run that surprises everyone (though i dont think he's in it right now)..plus HIS two MAJORS

    that's a good heavyweight presence there.

    WEIRD that ROGER isn't there.

  50. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    If Rafa's wrist holds out, he can get anyone in his draw, including Nole at the USO. He has before. Finger's crossed.

    i just recalled that USO is the ONLY major RAFA and Roger NEVER met. !!!

  51. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    teddytennisfani just recalled that USO is the ONLY major RAFA and Roger NEVER met. !!!

    That worked pretty well for Rafa :whistle:

  52. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    That worked pretty well for Rafa :whistle:

    i
    don't we all know that!!! haha.
    i just recalled it because we're suddenly talking about Rafa having some chances again – depending of course …

    but also because i keep feeling weird that ROGER isn't there – i mean this is normally where he gets a great run – besides wimbledon

    and it just came back that in their early rivalry Almost no one would consider rafa would even ever win outside of FO – let alone win the other majors BY defeating roger…u know? it just crept up on you even when the whole world was watching their rivalry..and before you know it —

    it's RAFA that hold the record of beating his rival on EVERY surface rather than the other way around . lol.

    that's why – there was one year at the USO – that MARTINA NAVRATILOVA was commentating during a roger or rafa match and she addressed a question about ''greatest of all time" about roger.

    and MN said "well — the way rafa's been dominating him – and on every surface –it's somewhat hard to make the claim being the best ever when you're not even the best of your own era if people can argue that YOUR MAIN RIVAL KEEPS BEATING YOU"

  53. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    ^ Hey Ted, I always enjoy that debate, even if it's predictable and tribal… Fire up another thread to launch it mate. Otherwise I'll have opened up an unholy can of worms on the USO thread with Fed not even playing 🙂

  54. teddytennisfan says:

    britbox^ Hey Ted, I always enjoy that debate, even if it's predictable and tribal… Fire up another thread to launch it mate. Otherwise I'll have opened up an unholy can of worms on the USO thread with Fed not even playing 🙂

    OH MY god. FEDERBERG is going to get mad at me!! lol. i better shut up about that. hehe.

  55. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    ^ Hey Ted, I always enjoy that debate, even if it's predictable and tribal… Fire up another thread to launch it mate. Otherwise I'll have opened up an unholy can of worms on the USO thread with Fed not even playing 🙂

    now it makes me wonder —

    there's this question : what IS it about the game of players that makes one so problematic for another one ? or in particular times?

    like RAFA – has problems now from NOLE – where ANDY seems to have problems from NOLE…but NOLE gets riled up byWAWRINKA… BUT he can't really solve ANDY..

    ETC.

  56. Mary says:

    BillieNew York, New York….

    It seems that all players 6-4 and taller are in Nole's path. That can't be good.:negative:

    My thoughts too – a lot of big heavy servers. Not the best draw for him.

  57. Mastoor says:
    britbox

    On a sidenote, a little on how the ballkids train…

    They should have gone to Bronx and selected the most dangerous looking guys for ball boys. Lets see if anyone will yell at them or next to them or if they will throw towels at them. In fact, I don't think any player would dare to ask for towels anymore.

  58. Mastoor says:

    britboxOn a sidenote, a little on how the ballkids train…

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNSMJDYXR_c%5D

    They should have gone to Bronx and selected the most dangerous looking guys for ball boys. Lets see if anyone will yell at them or next to them or if they will throw towels at them. In fact, I don't think any player would dare to ask for towels anymore.

  59. teddytennisfan says:

    MastoorThey should have gone to Bronx and selected the most dangerous looking guys for ball boys. Lets see if anyone will yell at them or next to them or if they will throw towels at them. In fact, I don't think any player would dare to ask for towels anymore.

    MAYBE they should have finals — where the ball boys RUMBLE on the court..
    and catch balls mid-point ..and call out to each other talking about their girlfriends…and then they also shake the net — hard…and then they extend their legs out to trip the player…it will be very entertaining…also if the players challenge the calls — the ballboys give them the finger…and when the players walk past the ball boys the ballboys tell them: "you watch out when this game's over — the other player's my boy….we're gonna see you at the car lot"…and when they give the ball to the player they aim for the neck, hard…

  60. Mastoor says:

    Yes, that was one of my ideas, that ball boys should for a change bully players not the other way around, but then it may be a little bit too entertaining for blood thirsty tennis crowd.

  61. teddytennisfan says:

    and also to add to these extra challenges — the ball boys can also show how fast they run — faster than the players — to rub out the marks of the ball that are controversial…and the ball boys can first test that the towels are clean enough by wiping themselves before throwing it to the players…

    this is all part of testing the athleticism of the players – and their mental fortitude under extreme pressure…

  62. teddytennisfan says:
    Mastoor

    Yes, that was one of my ideas, that ball boys should for a change bully players not the other way around, but then it may be a little bit too entertaining for blood thirsty tennis crowd.

    hehe…the ball boys can also SNEEZE loudly WHILE a player is serving…and wipe their nose with their palms before picking up the ball to hand to the player…the ball boys are allowed to spit anywhere on court…

  63. Mastoor says:

    teddytennisfanand also to add to these extra challenges — the ball boys can also show how fast they run — faster than the players — to rub out the marks of the ball that are controversial…and the ball boys can first test that the towels are clean enough by wiping themselves before throwing it to the players…

    this is all part of testing the athleticism of the players – and their mental fortitude under extreme pressure…

    It's a great idea, but all the likeliness is that ballboys will soon have blood and urine tested instead of the players.

  64. teddytennisfan says:
    Mastoor

    It's a great idea, but all the likeliness is that ballboys will soon have blood and urine tested instead of the players.

    they can solve that easily –they' can hide by putting all their urine in one bottle, shake it and distribute in small samples…lol…and put the names of any player…

  65. Mastoor says:

    teddytennisfanthey can solve that easily –they' can hide by putting all their urine in one bottle, shake it and distribute in small samples…lol…and put the names of any player…

    Imagine Nadal lining up those bottles. Yikes!

  66. teddytennisfan says:

    MastoorImagine Nadal lining up those bottles. Yikes!

    hehe — rafa likes to be very organized on cour.t..

    he will say: ''please do not mix — from left to right — 6 am, 7 am, 8 am, etc..
    "line one – left to right — pasta diet, next line, fish diet, next line ..i borrowed from nole…next line, nole has to return to me….next line – 10 year old bottle from roger….next line first bottle my mothers, then my girlfriends…then tio tony…next line the umpire , ticket seller, photographer…the butcher in mallorca……".

    ''oh please don't touch nole bottle – nole said never to lend to ANDY again because andy always forgets to return bottles"…

  67. Billie says:

    MaryMy thoughts too – a lot of big heavy servers. Not the best draw for him.

    Hi Mary!!! Nothing we can do about it. I just hope he will be good enough for the 7 matches that he needs in this tournament.

  68. Billie says:

    Some of the matches last long past decent hours for kids, so USO has always had older ball people, as far as I can remember, especially during night matches.

    And the schedule is up, Rafa will play on Monday during day, Nole in the night session.

  69. Billie says:

    Moxie and Teddy: I searched a little about why NY is called Big Apple and this is from Wiki page:

    In the early 1920s, "apple" was used in reference to the many racing courses in and around New York City. Apple referred to the prizes being awarded for the races – as these were important races, the rewards were substantial.

    The Big Apple was first popularized as a reference to New York City by John J. Fitz Gerald in a number of New York Morning Telegraph articles in the 1920s in reference to New York horse-racing. The earliest of these was a casual reference on May 3, 1921:

    "J. P. Smith, with Tippity Witchet and others of the L. T. Bauer string, is scheduled to start for "the big apple" to-morrow after a most prosperous Spring campaign at Bowie and Havre de Grace."

    Fitz Gerald referred to the "big apple" frequently thereafter

    By the late 1920s, New York writers other than Fitz Gerald were starting to use "Big Apple" and were using it outside of a horse-racing context. "The Big Apple" was a popular song and dance in the 1930s.

    By the 1960s, "the Big Apple" was known only as an old name for New York. In the early 1970s, however, the New York Convention and Visitors Bureau (now NYC & Company, the official marketing and tourism organization for New York City), under the leadership of its president, Charles Gillett, began promoting "the Big Apple" for the city. It has remained popular since then. Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani in 1997 signed legislation designating the southwest corner of West 54th St and Broadway, the corner on which John J. Fitz Gerald lived from 1934 to 1963, as "Big Apple Corner".

  70. teddytennisfan says:
    Billie

    Moxie and Teddy: I searched a little about why NY is called Big Apple and this is from Wiki page:

    In the early 1920s, "apple" was used in reference to the many racing courses in and around New York City. Apple referred to the prizes being awarded for the races – as these were important races, the rewards were substantial.

    The Big Apple was first popularized as a reference to New York City by John J. Fitz Gerald in a number of New York Morning Telegraph articles in the 1920s in reference to New York horse-racing. The earliest of these was a casual reference on May 3, 1921:

    "J. P. Smith, with Tippity Witchet and others of the L. T. Bauer string, is scheduled to start for "the big apple" to-morrow after a most prosperous Spring campaign at Bowie and Havre de Grace."

    Fitz Gerald referred to the "big apple" frequently thereafter

    By the late 1920s, New York writers other than Fitz Gerald were starting to use "Big Apple" and were using it outside of a horse-racing context. "The Big Apple" was a popular song and dance in the 1930s.

    By the 1960s, "the Big Apple" was known only as an old name for New York. In the early 1970s, however, the New York Convention and Visitors Bureau (now NYC & Company, the official marketing and tourism organization for New York City), under the leadership of its president, Charles Gillett, began promoting "the Big Apple" for the city. It has remained popular since then. Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani in 1997 signed legislation designating the southwest corner of West 54th St and Broadway, the corner on which John J. Fitz Gerald lived from 1934 to 1963, as "Big Apple Corner".

    THANKS Billie!!

  71. Mastoor says:

    If I calculated correctly, in some 26 hours, we will have answer to billion dollar question – is No1e still hurt. I hope he isn't, but seems he is, Rafa too A Serbian journo Ozmo, aka Rafa's fan #1, watched his practice at Armstrong and he said rafa wasn't happy with his shots at all. No1e was nowhere to be seen on the grounds.

    As for big servers, they won't make any problems to No1e if his wrist is fine, otherwise, it is better for No1e to exit early anyway.

  72. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    almost time for some tennis shaped tennis. its tennis shaped I say.

  73. teddytennisfan says:
    JesuslookslikeBorg

    almost time for some tennis shaped tennis. its tennis shaped I say.

    beautifully shaped way to shape it. hehe.

  74. britbox britbox says:

    MastoorIf I calculated correctly, in some 26 hours, we will have answer to billion dollar question – is No1e still hurt. I hope he isn't, but seems he is, Rafa too A Serbian journo Ozmo, aka Rafa's fan #1, watched his practice at Armstrong and he said rafa wasn't happy with his shots at all. No1e was nowhere to be seen on the grounds.

    As for big servers, they won't make any problems to No1e if his wrist is fine, otherwise, it is better for No1e to exit early anyway.

    What's the story with Novak's "personal problems" that are unrelated to the wrist? Any idea?

  75. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    What's the story with Novak's "personal problems" that are unrelated to the wrist? Any idea?

    WHAT'S that about? i haven/t been up on their personal matters — rumors or what? i should hope not – he seems to have a wonderful father/husband life now .

    in any case — they're showing on tennis channel of course last year's finals — and reminds of just how FINE NOLE was in his performance against roger. you almost forget it after being so used to his dominance these past few years now.

  76. teddytennisfan says:

    ROGER has one of the best-looking HAIR. seriously

  77. britbox britbox says:

    teddytennisfanWHAT'S that about? i haven/t been up on their personal matters — rumors or what? i should hope not – he seems to have a wonderful father/husband life now .

    in any case — they're showing on tennis channel of course last year's finals — and reminds of just how FINE NOLE was in his performance against roger. you almost forget it after being so used to his dominance these past few years now.

    Not sure, but he's said private issues have been a factor:

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/26/andy-murray-lukas-rosol-first-round-us-open

  78. britbox britbox says:

    ORDER OF PLAY FOR MONDAY 29 AUGUST

    Arthur Ashe Stadium

    11am

    7 Roberta Vinci (ITA) v Anna-Lena Friedsam (GER)

    Polona Hercog (SLO) v 2 Angelique Kerber (GER)

    4 Rafael Nadal (ESP) v Denis Istomin (UZB)

    7pm

    Opening ceremony

    1 Novak Djokovic (SRB) v Jerzy Janowicz (POL)

    8 Madison Keys (USA) v Alison Riske (USA)

    Louis Armstrong Stadium

    Rogerio Dutra Silva (BRA) v 7 Marin Cilic (CRO)

    Francesca Schiavone (ITA) v 9 Svetlana Kuznetsova (RUS)

    Elise Mertens (BEL) v 3 Garbine Muguruza (ESP)

    26 Jack Sock (USA) v Taylor Fritz (USA)

    Grandstand

    Taylor Townsend (USA) v Caroline Wozniacki (DEN)

    20 John Isner (USA) v Frances Tiafoe (USA)

    9 Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA) v Guido Andreozzi (ARG)

    13 Johanna Konta (GBR) v Bethanie Mattek-Sands (USA)

    Court 17

    Samanta Crawford (USA) v 24 Belinda Bencic (SUI)

    10 Gael Monfils (FRA) v Gilles Muller (LUX)

    Magda Linette (POL) v 12 Dominika Cibulkova (SVK)

    Dustin Brown (GER) v 5 Milos Raonic (CAN)

    Court 5

    Kyle Edmund (GBR) v 13 Richard Gasquet (FRA)

    4th Match: 18 Barbora Strycova (CZE) v Monica Niculescu (ROU)

    P6/Old Grand Stand

    3rd Match: 32 Monica Puig (PUR) v Zheng Saisai

    4th Match, not before 1am: Mandy Minella (LUX) v 22 Elina Svitolina (UKR)

    Court 13

    Carina Witthoft (GER) v 30 Misaki Doi (JPN)

    Naomi Osaka (JPN) v 28 Coco Vandeweghe (USA)

    Yoshihito Nishioka (JPN) v 23 Kevin Anderson (RSA)

    Court 6

    4th Match: 24 Lucas Pouille (FRA) v Mikhail Kukushkin (KAZ)

    Court 7

    4th Match, not before 1am: Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v 15 Roberto Bautista Agut (ESP)

    Court 9

    31 Albert Ramos (ESP) v Julien Benneteau (FRA)

    Court 12

    14 Petra Kvitova (CZE) v Jelena Ostapenko (LAT)

    27 Sara Errani (ITA) v Shelby Rogers (USA)

    32 Benoit Paire (FRA) v Dusan Lajovic (SRB)

    Court 14

    Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v 28 Martin Klizan (SVK)

    3rd Match: 21 Irina-Camelia Begu (ROU) v Lesia Tsurenko (UKR)

  79. Moxie says:

    Thanks for the Day 1 schedule, BB. I'm away and hardly have my head in it starting. I hope to get there at least once this week.

  80. Moxie says:
    britbox

    What's the story with Novak's "personal problems" that are unrelated to the wrist? Any idea?

    I'd also be curious about this from the insiders. Not surprising, if you watched him play that match, but it has been a curious summer of interpreting Novak. What percentage of all of this is physical, and what percentage personal/mental/pressure? Perhaps Mastoor is right. The first few rounds at the USO might tell us not only a lot about Novak, but about Rafa and Del Potro as well, who are also in the cabinet of curiosities this week.

  81. britbox britbox says:

    MoxieThanks for the Day 1 schedule, BB. I'm away and hardly have my head in it starting. I hope to get there at least once this week.

    I'm guessing Rafa will hit court between 2 and 3pm.

  82. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    its started..:drums::pompoms::dance2:

    caught me out, thought it was 5pm bst……Edmund the ever-ready eddy a break up on an ailing Richard Richard gasquet.

  83. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    Edmund up 2 sets…….4-3 in the third. get in. :-)2

    edmund serving for match..5-4.

  84. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    boooooooom…….Edmund is vomiting victory all over the universe.

  85. Moxie says:

    Tiafoe up 2 sets to love on Isner. See, this is why I usually pick who I want to win, not who I think is going to win. Because I picked Isner in my draw challenge, but and now I'm going to feel I betrayed young Frances if he does win. But I'll be happy!

  86. britbox britbox says:
    Moxie

    Tiafoe up 2 sets to love on Isner. See, this is why I usually pick who I want to win, not who I think is going to win. Because I picked Isner in my draw challenge, but and now I'm going to feel I betrayed young Frances if he does win. But I'll be happy!

    Isner back in this again taking the third and leading in the fourth.

    Are you watching Nadal? Seems to be cruising.

  87. Moxie says:

    I'm traveling today and only watching scores. I see he won 1-4-2. Btw, I think he played Istomin 2nd round in 2010 the first year he won it and Istomin gave him a harder time, even though that was straights too. I see Isner has evened things up. I hope Tiafoe has some good fight in him.

  88. teddytennisfan says:

    come on TIAFOE!! get rid of this NON-tennis player. lol

  89. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    deciding tb zooming into view.

  90. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    I'm traveling today and only watching scores. I see he won 1-4-2. Btw, I think he played Istomin 2nd round in 2010 the first year he won it and Istomin gave him a harder time, even though that was straights too. I see Isner has evened things up. I hope Tiafoe has some good fight in him.

    no ONE can accuse me of NOT being a fan of the big-game – big serve player — after all my TOP favorites of all time have been Pete Sampras, Graf, Serena…among others…

    but i consider it an INSULT to the tennis that someone like ISNER actually stands out there to play basketball…where he ought to be. lol.

    go TIAFOE.

  91. teddytennisfan says:
    JesuslookslikeBorg

    deciding tb zooming into view.

    OH GOD – here we go again … isner can/t do anything else.

  92. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    lol..its isner ,,expect tiebreaks..it is written in the wind.

  93. teddytennisfan says:
    JesuslookslikeBorg

    deciding tb zooming into view.

    the size and imensions of the court begin what they are – and the height and length of the net —

    SERVING SKILLS is when you have players probably up to around 6-4 – not much more above that — able to get the ball over that particular height as they do.

    serving skills is ROGER federer at 6-1 ..nadal at 6-1, nole at 6-1, even 1 6-6 guys…

    or serena at 5-9, etc…

    THAT'S serving skill…

    raise the net higher by a commensurate 2-3 inches and ISNER serves as he DOES — is when i am convinced he is a ''great serve"/.

    otherwise he is a nobody in tennis for me.

  94. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    poor tb from the foe..2nd serve is a bit essence-of-dementiava in its floatyness. also missed volley at net. shame.

  95. teddytennisfan says:
    JesuslookslikeBorg

    poor tb from the foe..2nd serve is a bit essence-of-dementiava in its floatyness. also missed volley at net. shame.

    i know — just inexperience there. but he'll do good in future.

    meanwhile — someone please RELIEVE us of the space-waster named ISNER.

  96. britbox britbox says:

    Kyle Edmund laid a drubbing on Richard Gasquet. 6-2 6-2 6-3

  97. britbox britbox says:

    Results from the U.S. Open Men's Singles Round 1 matches on Monday

    32-Benoit Paire (France) beat Dusan Lajovic (Serbia) 6-2 2-6 3-6 7-5 6-1
    20-John Isner (U.S.) beat Frances Tiafoe (U.S.) 3-6 4-6 7-6(5) 6-2 7-6(3)
    Vasek Pospisil (Canada) beat Jozef Kovalik (Slovakia) 6-1 6-3 6-3
    Marcos Baghdatis (Cyprus) beat Facundo Bagnis (Argentina) 6-4 6-2 1-1 (Bagnis retired)
    4-Rafa Nadal (Spain) beat Denis Istomin (Uzbekistan) 6-1 6-4 6-2
    10-Gael Monfils (France) beat Gilles Muller (Luxembourg) 6-4 6-2 7-6(5)
    Andreas Seppi (Italy) beat Stephane Robert (France) 6-2 3-6 6-4 6-3
    Steve Darcis (Belgium) beat Jordan Thompson (Australia) 5-7 3-6 7-6(5) 6-4 7-5
    Nicolas Almagro (Spain) beat Marton Fucsovics (Hungary) 6-1 6-4 7-6(7)
    31-Albert Ramos (Spain) beat Julien Benneteau (France) 3-6 6-3 6-3 2-6 6-1
    Sergiy Stakhovsky (Ukraine) beat Gastao Elias (Portugal) 6-1 3-6 2-6 6-3 7-6(4)
    Ernesto Escobedo (U.S.) beat Lukas Lacko (Slovakia) 6-4 4-6 4-6 6-3 (Lacko retired)
    Andrey Kuznetsov (Russia) beat Thomaz Bellucci (Brazil) 6-4 3-6 6-1 7-6(6)
    7-Marin Cilic (Croatia) beat Rogerio Dutra Silva (Brazil) 6-4 7-5 6-1
    Guido Pella (Argentina) beat Bjorn Fratangelo (U.S.) 6-3 6-4 6-4
    Mikhail Youzhny (Russia) beat 28-Martin Klizan (Slovakia) 6-2 6-1 6-1
    Kyle Edmund (Britain) beat 13-Richard Gasquet (France) 6-2 6-2 6-3
    Jan Satral (Czech Republic) beat Mackenzie McDonald (U.S.) 4-6 3-6 6-3 6-2 6-2
    Federico Delbonis (Argentina) beat Brian Baker (U.S.) 3-6 6-7(6) 6-4 6-2 6-2
    23-Kevin Anderson (South Africa) beat Yoshihito Nishioka (Japan) 6-3 7-5 6-4
    Marco Chiudinelli (Switzerland) beat Guilherme Clezar (Brazil) 2-6 7-6(6) 6-2 6-4

  98. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    phil coffins live ?….vomm. :sleep: I was hoping for djoko vs jj.

  99. britbox britbox says:

    JesuslookslikeBorgphil coffins live ?….vomm. :sleep: I was hoping for djoko vs jj.

    Don't complain about another day in paradise.

  100. Carol says:
    britbox

    Don't complain about another day in paradise.

    I love that song!

  101. Mastoor says:

    What happened? Did No1e withdrew? his match was supposed to start 45 mins ago, but instead some minority speakers talked before Genesis playing. And wtf is su-su-sudio?

  102. teddytennisfan says:
    JesuslookslikeBorg

    phil coffins live ?….vomm. :sleep: I was hoping for djoko vs jj.

    it;s only 15 before 8 . so they still have 2 hours of schedule – probably one more match time slot after 8.

  103. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    good old mute button saves the day. :good:

  104. Mastoor says:
    britbox

    What's the story with Novak's "personal problems" that are unrelated to the wrist? Any idea?

    I have no idea what those personal problems were, but he mentioned they're resolved anyway. I know he was overwhelmed by his success after winning FO, I don't know of anything else.

  105. teddytennisfan says:

    MastoorWhat happened? Did No1e withdrew? his match was supposed to start 45 mins ago, but instead some minority speakers talked before Genesis playing. And wtf is su-su-sudio?

    come on Mastoor — you have to know by now — this is the EXCEPTIONAL EMPIRE we are talking about….

    first a reminder to the universe — ''usa, usa, usa" — just bow until the stars and stripes march out ….plus ''reminders' of how america ''suffered" from the ''terrorists" in 9-11 — just NEVER ever talk about WHO CREATED AL QAEDA WHICH IS of course usa itself…

  106. teddytennisfan says:
    Mastoor

    What happened? Did No1e withdrew? his match was supposed to start 45 mins ago, but instead some minority speakers talked before Genesis playing. And wtf is su-su-sudio?

    ah — here we come now — the US empire's 'national anthem'.

    lest the cosmos forget how EXCEPTIONAL america is ..all its ''heroes" and its firemen , and police and fbi, and cia, and homeland security and pentagon —

    gee we can't wait for the F-16'S to IMPRESS everyone come CLOSING DAY can't we? lol.

    or the F-35 TRILLION DOLLAR SUPER DUPER ''all purpose" jet turkey….

  107. britbox britbox says:

    Djokovic is coming out now. It's on ESPN 2

  108. Mastoor says:

    teddytennisfancome on Mastoor — you have to know by now — this is the EXCEPTIONAL EMPIRE we are talking about….

    first a reminder to the universe — ''usa, usa, usa" — just bow until the stars and stripes march out ….plus ''reminders' of how america ''suffered" from the ''terrorists" in 9-11 — just NEVER ever talk about WHO CREATED AL QAEDA WHICH IS of course usa itself…

    New Yorkers couldn't bring Velvet Underground, Ramones, maybe not even Simon and Garfunkel perhaps too old or Beastie Boys, perhaps too inappropriate, but couldn't they bring Blondie or Talking Heads, they must be younger than 80yo Phil. I like his joke though "It is English joke, you'll understand on your way home." LOL

  109. teddytennisfan says:

    JesuslookslikeBorggood old mute button saves the day. :good:

    WAIT UNTIL CLOSING DAY — when the EMPIRE'S ''greatest military in history" the mos t''courageous ever" — the bestest, mostest, everest, super duperest military power ever come to FILL ARTHUR ASHE complete with a platoon of STARS AND STRIPES AND GIANT FLAGS with SUPER DUPER IMPERIAL JETS OVERHEAD — ARRIVE…you ain't seen nuthin yet..!!!

    JUST DONT' ever TELL ANYONE THEY HAVENT WON A SINGLE WAR ACTUALLY….

    unless you call it a real adversary — with HAITI…

    OR make up stories about a small country and GANG UP on it with others — like to serbia!

    realize that the HAGUE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF WAR CRIMES — just ''quietly" buried in a small sentence near the end of its ''conclusion" of findings agianst MILOSEVIC that he was — ahem — now that he's DEAD from his prison cell —

    ''not guilty of any charges" at all?

    oopps — ''our bad" …but meanwhile — CLINTON – EMPIRE AND COMPANY already destroyed yugoslavia and serbia…but — nevermind — it's all in a day;s/ work where the USA is concerned….

  110. teddytennisfan says:

    britboxDjokovic is coming out now. It's on ESPN 2

    GREAT!!! should be a real banger of a match! i like JERZY in his game style a LOT — but GO NOLE!!! FOR SERBIA!

  111. Carol says:

    Wow, Phil looks sooo old 🙁

  112. teddytennisfan says:

    CarolWow, Phil looks sooo old 🙁

    nevermind PHIL — what's important is RAFA looks magnificent! lol

  113. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    other week jj was playing a challenger in Germany..now he is mr main event at the usopen..along with Djokovic.

  114. teddytennisfan says:

    folks — who's this FRITZ guy? i like the way he plays — he's trying to close or stay well ahead of jock sock to get 2-2 for a five setter.

    i like JOCK SOCK TOO — BUT this is an intgeresting turn from this little known guy. FRITZ. know anythying about him?

  115. teddytennisfan says:
    JesuslookslikeBorg

    other week jj was playing a challenger in Germany..now he is mr main event at the usopen..along with Djokovic.

    we know he likes the pressure and big stage — so NOLE has to be very , very ON Point here if nole wants to avoid an upset.

  116. teddytennisfan says:

    nole opens with double fault.

  117. teddytennisfan says:

    something must be seriously wrong twith JOCK SOCK — 0-5 4RTH SET.

  118. Mastoor says:

    teddytennisfanfolks — who's this FRITZ guy? i like the way he plays — he's trying to close or stay well ahead of jock sock to get 2-2 for a five setter.

    i like JOCK SOCK TOO — BUT this is an intgeresting turn from this little known guy. FRITZ. know anythying about him?

    Talented junior, but I've never watched him

  119. teddytennisfan says:
    Mastoor

    Talented junior, but I've never watched him

    I AM impressed with him — let's hope he continues his development .

    jack sock – i also really like – very fine athlete – and huge weapons..moves well — i like him.

  120. teddytennisfan says:

    break point for JJ.

  121. teddytennisfan says:

    AHAHAH — NOLE got lucky non that net ball, hehe. deuce.

  122. teddytennisfan says:

    wooh – nole survived that one., hehe.

  123. teddytennisfan says:

    looks lik JJ came to fight tonight!!

  124. teddytennisfan says:

    oh nooooooooooo….. injury potential for NOLE!! not a good sign…

  125. Moxie says:

    Bit early for the MTO, and JJ sitting over in the people seats?

  126. Mastoor says:

    No1e's limbs all seem effed up.

  127. teddytennisfan says:

    has ANYONE noticed that BRAD GILBERT doesn/t seem to be hired by any significant player for a while now?

  128. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfanhas ANYONE noticed that BRAD GILBERT doesn/t seem to be hired by any significant player for a while now?

    I think Kyrgios needs a coach.

  129. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Bit early for the MTO, and JJ sitting over in the people seats?

    Moxie

    Bit early for the MTO, and JJ sitting over in the people seats?

    JJ so funny, moxie. hehe.

    probably nole feels the strain already if we can assume he has cointinued to nurse a condition – and the sudden playing at that intensity can be so different maybe.

    better make sure it doenst get worse by having the injury check. i think .

  130. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    I think Kyrgios needs a coach.

    don't tell me?

    he STILL hasn't decided on a coach, moxie? wow. he must be confident in himself enough and also of course extra picky. but that's his call, anyway.

  131. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    I think Kyrgios needs a coach.

    what do you think? brad could be good for kyrgios? he is so temperamental maybe.

  132. teddytennisfan says:

    BREAK for nole!

  133. teddytennisfan says:

    today was great beginning for RAFA — and US crowd – which has of course plenty of latin — showed big love for RAFA — AS HE deserves.

  134. britbox britbox says:

    teddytennisfanwhat do you think? brad could be good for kyrgios? he is so temperamental maybe.

    Kyrgios has said himself, it's no point on him hiring a big name coach as he wouldn't listen to him anyway.

  135. teddytennisfan says:

    5-2 nole first set.

    4-2 sock in fifth set.

  136. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Kyrgios has said himself, it's no point on him hiring a big name coach as he wouldn't listen to him anyway.

    wow — well if he at least has that belief in himself enough to say he won't listen anyway — then we can only hope it works for him – he's juust REALLYtalented — and we all know what we're talking about after seeing so many great players .

  137. Moxie says:

    MastoorTalented junior, but I've never watched him

    He's very good. Got to the final in Memphis this year…2nd fastest US man to a final since Chang, I just read. He's seen as one of the real hopes for the future of US men's. I like his game and his head.

  138. teddytennisfan says:

    ohno Jack slipped landed on his wrist. i hope he's ok.

  139. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieHe's very good. Got to the final in Memphis this year…2nd fastest US man to a final since Chang, I just read. He's seen as one of the real hopes for the future of US men's. I like his game and his head.

    oh that's GOOD!! I do MISS seeing really, really good US players since andre and pete.

    it's SO needed in the tennis.

    all the MORE reason USA OWES SERENA and VENUS

    like — uh — BIG TIME? lol.

  140. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfanwhat do you think? brad could be good for kyrgios? he is so temperamental maybe.

    A couple of characters…why not?

  141. Mastoor says:

    Janovic is playing unbelievably and not only for his ranking. Remember when he called No1e a player?

  142. britbox britbox says:

    Kyrgios needs to grow up first.

  143. britbox britbox says:
    Mastoor

    Janovic is playing unbelievably and not only for his ranking. Remember when he called No1e a player?

    No? In what context?

  144. Moxie says:

    OMG, Sock has totally let Fritz back into this set and DFs the game away for 5-5!

    EDIT: sorry, 5-4, but on serve.

  145. Moxie says:
    britbox

    Kyrgios needs to grow up first.

    I think a coach would help. He's not doing the best job on his own.

  146. Mastoor says:
    britbox

    No? In what context?

    In other than tennis.

  147. Mastoor says:

    MoxieA couple of characters…why not?

    Kyrgios tells everyone that he hates tennis.

  148. Moxie says:

    MastoorKyrgios tells everyone that he hates tennis.

    Safin used to say, or at least intimate as much, and he won 2 majors.

  149. Moxie says:
    Mastoor

    In other than tennis.

    What do you think he meant by that, then? Positive?

  150. Mastoor says:

    I don't think No1e likes this. Just too good tennis for round 1.

  151. Moxie says:

    Tiafoe and Fritz both lost today, but in 5 each. Good showing from the young guys. Hopefully both with be more dangerous next year.

  152. Mastoor says:
    Moxie

    What do you think he meant by that, then? Positive?

    I don't think anyone understood, but back then we thought he meant negative.

  153. Mastoor says:

    Janovic all in.

  154. Moxie says:

    MastoorI don't think anyone understood, but back then we thought he meant negative.

    I found this: "Djokovic is a fake. He shows off and acts…." http://tennistonic.com/tennis-news/?nid=1799&/Tough-Janowicz-insults-Djokovic-and-Federer

  155. Moxie says:

    GG Lopez getting the better of Bautista-Agut, which is not so surprising since RBA was in a final on Sat., and Lopez is good on HC.

  156. teddytennisfan says:
    Mastoor

    Janovic is playing unbelievably and not only for his ranking. Remember when he called No1e a player?

    tell us again Mastoor.. what did h esay about nole?

  157. britbox britbox says:

    Janowicz ripping those forehands. Where's he been the last couple of years?

  158. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    I found this: "Djokovic is a fake. He shows off and acts…." http://tennistonic.com/tennis-news/?nid=1799&/Tough-Janowicz-insults-Djokovic-and-Federer

    oh — that'/s not nice. don't say that. roger and nole earned their stripes the hard way .

  159. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Janowicz ripping those forehands. Where's he been the last couple of years?

    he's really ferocious when on. problem is he gets off the game so easily.

  160. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieGG Lopez getting the better of Bautista-Agut, which is not so surprising since RBA was in a final on Sat., and Lopez is good on HC.

    ooo — i LIKE garcia lopez — love his style of playing!!

  161. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Safin used to say, or at least intimate as much, and he won 2 majors.

    yea — but something more from kyrgios — safin really just like the ''life" , u know? tennis he also liked but he didn't like to just be ''all tennis"

    kyrgios says he really prefers OTHER sports, like basketball..on TOP of having fun at the computer games. lol.

    but safin he liked other stuff ''about life' – he liked to be alone actually and — READ BOOKS…few people remember that.

  162. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfanooo — i LIKE garcia lopez — love his style of playing!!

    Me, too! I'd be happy to see him come through.

  163. teddytennisfan says:

    oh my — just like we suspected — JJ came to FIGHT. and is bringing it to nole. big time. NOLE better get himself together.

  164. Mastoor says:

    Cassino style tennis brought a break to Janovic, but lets see No1e's response now.

  165. Moxie says:

    JJ finally gets the break. Obviously, this is far from an ideal first round match for Novak, but Jerzy isn't solid enough to win unless Djoker is really gimpy.

  166. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Me, too! I'd be happy to see him come through.

    for me GG – has one of the most elegant looking tennis actually.

    powerful, so solid – with wonderful variety, aggressive also comes with soft touch when he wants – nice big serves – nice returns and so athletic. just love the way he plays.

  167. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    JJ finally gets the break. Obviously, this is far from an ideal first round match for Novak, but Jerzy isn't solid enough to win unless Djoker is really gimpy.

    true – – it's either JJ'S consistency to really rattle nole's amazing defense – or nole UPS his game seriously. this is a real dangerous player for anyone, we all know.

  168. Moxie says:
    Mastoor

    Cassino style tennis brought a break to Janovic, but lets see No1e's response now.

    He didn't even need one…JJ threw it away.

  169. teddytennisfan says:
    Mastoor

    Cassino style tennis brought a break to Janovic, but lets see No1e's response now.

    and LOTS of that power really — it's rattling nole a bit. because it's not often – even today — you see players come up with that kind of power REPEATEDLY in a point.

  170. teddytennisfan says:

    good for NOLE -=- an easy hold to keep it close to one break …

  171. teddytennisfan says:

    britboxJanowicz ripping those forehands. Where's he been the last couple of years?

    MONFILS — let's all NOT forget he got through today — and one to watch as dark horse . i want him to continue his improvements – also because it's so late in his career now and he really should have had a chance to take his own GS long ago at leas tget to finals or something. along with TSONGA.

    two of the very very best athletes i 've ever seen in tennis. seriously.

  172. teddytennisfan says:

    it ooks like it might go to four sets at least.

  173. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfanyea — but something more from kyrgios — safin really just like the ''life" , u know? tennis he also liked but he didn't like to just be ''all tennis"

    kyrgios says he really prefers OTHER sports, like basketball..on TOP of having fun at the computer games. lol.

    but safin he liked other stuff ''about life' – he liked to be alone actually and — READ BOOKS…few people remember that.

    Ask @britbox …Safin didn't like tennis, or much. His mother forced him into it. Yes, he was a reader, and his distractions were more intellectual than Kyrgios', from what I can garner, (sometimes, though not always, by a long stretch,) but they are similar types: wild and wildly talented; crazily entertaining on court, often to their own detriment; and both with an uneasy relationship to the sport that makes them famous and rich.

  174. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieAsk @britbox …Safin didn't like tennis, or much. His mother forced him into it. Yes, he was a reader, and his distractions were more intellectual than Kyrgios', from what I can garner, (sometimes, though not always, by a long stretch,) but they are similar types: wild and wildly talented; crazily entertaining on court, often to their own detriment; and both with an uneasy relationship to the sport that makes them famous and rich.

    so true. maybe they're just the type that never had the kind of ''obsession'' needed to be on top consistently. or even ''reach" it –

    different perspective – after all — compared to any of us FANS only — they earn nice, hitting a yellow fuzzy ball. lol.

    teh same fate nearly could have been for PETE SAMPRAS actually.

    although HE did love tennis — and was a genuine prodigy – he said that up until he LOST his defense of the USO to stefan edberg and then AGAIN the nexxt year finals — that he sat with himself and realized ojnly then ''how much i hated losing – and vowed i'd be the best ".

    and in his early years before becoming a USO champ in 1990 – was practicing for his matches as a newcomer in wimbledon —

    JOHN MCENROE – natrually one of the big names still overheard hiom from the next court — complaining about ''this grass — it's SO unfair..so unrepdictable" blahl blah…and mcenroe gave him a tonque lashing:

    "hey – pete — for someone so talented like you – especially on this surface — youi've got a LOUSY attitude….get over it".

    and pete said in those early years — ''i was just happy to get to semis – hang around in the top 20 or top 10, whatever – i thought that was already a big achievement".

    ''but i later realized how my mom and dad sacrificed so much for their kids…my mom came first and worked her butt off doing laundry for people and cleaning their homes….and i swore i was going to give them a good life and had to fix my attitude".

  175. Moxie says:

    Third footfault called on JJ. I swear no tournament calls FFs more than the USO.

  176. Mastoor says:
    teddytennisfan

    it ooks like it might go to four sets at least.

    I think No1e will torture him little longer. there are not many who trash talked him publicly

  177. britbox britbox says:

    MoxieThird footfault called on JJ. I swear no tournament calls FFs more than the USO.

    Isn't that the truth… Foot faults galore at the USO every year.

  178. Moxie says:

    That was solid point from JJ, who is also one of the tortured souls of tennis. And again. EDIT: Big hold from 0-40 down.

  179. Moxie says:
    britbox

    Isn't that the truth… Foot faults galore at the USO every year.

    What the hell can that even be about?

  180. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    djoko had 5 bp's on successive jj serve's..and jj steps in the court and saves them all.

  181. Mastoor says:

    ts-ts-ts No1e shouldn't have changed the wooden cross for this, whatever that is.

  182. teddytennisfan says:
    Mastoor

    I think No1e will torture him little longer. there are not many who trash talked him publicly

    haha…but first nole better get the 3rd set now — it's 1-1 .
    or else whatever might be bothering his arm is not a good thing after all that big power from JJ.

  183. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    lol..out of nowhere jj steals 2nd set……via some rather shite djoko serve's.

  184. teddytennisfan says:
    Mastoor

    ts-ts-ts No1e shouldn't have changed the wooden cross for this, whatever that is.

    jj starts 3rd set.

    nole better make some inroads in this set.

  185. Moxie says:

    Janowicz' head zoomed away from him with the glory of taking a set off of Novak and he broke himself to start the 3rd.

  186. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Third footfault called on JJ. I swear no tournament calls FFs more than the USO.

    has JJ that tendency in his matches? footfaults?

    reminds me of that HUGE scandalously thingie a decade ago against serena, remember? wasn't that the one against STOSUR?

    but also ohter matches like the one against capriati? oh my those were really controversial. NOT to mention that famous ''hand up" by HENIN which she denied — and years later admitted, hehe.

  187. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Janowicz' head zoomed away from him with the glory of taking a set off of Novak and he broke himself to start the 3rd.

    haha…tha'ts JJ

  188. teddytennisfan says:
    JesuslookslikeBorg

    lol..out of nowhere jj steals 2nd set……via some rather shite djoko serve's.

    HE did play really weall thought.

  189. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfanhas JJ that tendency in his matches? footfaults?

    reminds me of that HUGE scandalously thingie a decade ago against serena, remember? wasn't that the one against STOSUR?

    but also ohter matches like the one against capriati? oh my those were really controversial. NOT to mention that famous ''hand up" by HENIN which she denied — and years later admitted, hehe.

    I thought Serena was playing Clysters in that match. But there was a famous Safin meltdown over ffs also. The Capriati match was different – that was just general crap lines calling. I was in the house for that one…the match that gave us Hawk-eye.

  190. teddytennisfan says:

    oh come on commentators — STOP talking UP querrey and that LONE beating of nole in wimbledon.

    good grief — it's as if nobody ever lost a match in wimbey that 's a world number one lke nole!

  191. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    I thought Serena was playing Clysters in that match. But there was a famous Safin meltdown over ffs also. The Capriati match was different – that was just general crap lines calling. I was in the house for that one…the match that gave us Hawk-eye.

    oh my god — serena MUST have been the most ''robbed' PLAYER in US O history. tha'ts really someting like 3 titles worth, imo.

    captriati, clijsters, stosur.

    of course serena's responsibility was to keep cool and be in her game — but there are times when the officiating gets SO overtly outrageous NO nhuman can be expected to stay 'cool".

  192. Moxie says:
    teddytennisfan

    oh my god — serena MUST have been the most ''robbed' PLAYER in US O history. tha'ts really someting like 3 titles worth, imo.

    captriati, clijsters, stosur.

    of course serena's responsibility was to keep cool and be in her game — but there are times when the officiating gets SO overtly outrageous NO nhuman can be expected to stay 'cool".

    Capriati and Clijsters I get, but I don't remember why she was robbed against Stosur. That wasn't even close.

  193. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfanoh come on commentators — STOP talking UP querrey and that LONE beating of nole in wimbledon.

    good grief — it's as if nobody ever lost a match in wimbey that 's a world number one lke nole!

    That was a huge upset. I think you'll have to get over yourself if you're tired of hearing about it already. 😉

  194. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieThat was a huge upset. I think you'll have to get over yourself if you're tired of hearing about it already. 😉

    it's a small matter — but i prefer not to get over it – i don't like them raggin on about it – like it was some kind of heroic querrey achievement. like george bastl over sampras. and where is HE now?

    different when you're talking roger federer beating pete – and going ON to surpass pete in history. lol.

  195. britbox britbox says:

    MoxieCapriati and Clijsters I get, but I don't remember why she was robbed against Stosur. That wasn't even close.

    That Stosur match was the one where Serena flipped out at the umpire after getting penalised for shouting out before the point was over.

  196. britbox britbox says:

    Djoker should serve out the set now.

  197. britbox britbox says:

    Is the men's final on Sunday or Monday this year?

  198. Carol says:

    What a bad match by both players :sleep:

  199. teddytennisfan says:

    britboxThat Stosur match was the one where Serena flipped out at the umpire after getting penalised for shouting out before the point was over.

    ok – so serena';s fault then.

    still — with a history behind her of CLEARLY bad calls that cost her actual titles — who can expect her to not be remembering it could be happening again as the match wore on to elicit that kind of ''out' call from her and then get penalized?

    bad judgment from her part – and probably poor playing besides…but NO ONE in their wildest dreams can imagine stosur is ANYWHERE near as good a player as serena, NOT EVEN stosur herself despite that win – so the point is the total perspective of bad calls that have somehow hovered ''around" serena especially at the USO.

    apart FROM that fiasco of henin at the FO — TO her own years later admission that SHE did ''oush the envelope" ""because i wanted to win so much, u know? " as if that is a moral excuse…for what she clearly did…

    serena seldom if ever complained that much about calls in the other majors – heck , she and sister venus are famous for RARELY even questioning or challenging calls.

    it is a well-known FACT – attested to by the veteran legends themselves that RARELY does serena make WRONG calls or corrections or challenges to umpire calls, RARELY , if ever. and one of the few uncannily accurate players (like PETE was – that people seldom remember) – that if she says 'it was out" it WAS out – or her ball was in – it was IN…
    SHE DIDN'T get to be who she is without that very extraordinary feel for even the fraction of an inch …

    it used to be a story about pete…

    during a match or a practice — in the beginning he'd make a quiet note to the official or umpire or people watching — "that net is a half inch too high"

    and they go on with the game anyway – – after which they check – and indeed the net was EXACTLY as he said it was. how did he know?

    he just did – that's how accurate his shots were calibrated to reach just that half inch over the net for a particular purpose — while of course having to adjust anyway.

    so when serena begins to get umpire's attention to SOMETHING — that IS serious and THEY should shape up IMMEDIATELY so as to not affect the player's performance and concentration with lingering concern that she may be 'robbed" of points.

    that's the point there.

  200. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Is the men's final on Sunday or Monday this year?

    it's still always sunday — IF the rains interfere — but not anymore – that's what the roof is for, after all.

  201. Mastoor says:

    I think they moved to Monday last year, but may be changed back with the roof.

  202. teddytennisfan says:

    haha — two times today – nole got a ''lucky'' net ball. hehe.

  203. Moxie says:
    britbox

    Is the men's final on Sunday or Monday this year?

    Without looking, I think they've gone back to the traditional Sunday final.

  204. Carol says:

    Someone told me that she saw Novak in Miami walking close to her and she was very surprised looking how skinny he is. Today watching him through the TV HD I can see he looks thinner than ever

  205. Moxie says:

    What a weird match, and now he's singing!

  206. Moxie says:

    CarolSomeone told me that she saw Novak in Miami walking close to her and she was very surprised looking how skinny he is. Today watching him through the TV HD I can see he looks thinner than ever

    It's not uncommon that people find the players to be thinner in real life than they look on TV. He got thinner when he went gluten-free, but I doubt he's thinner than that. He looks the same to me, in terms of body. The questions about his fitness are other.

  207. Carol says:
    Moxie

    It's not uncommon that people find the players to be thinner in real life than they look on TV. He got thinner when he went gluten-free, but I doubt he's thinner than that. He looks the same to me, in terms of body. The questions about his fitness are other.

    I know they look thinner in person, but I have seen him many times through the TV and today he looks to me skinnier. He was hitting his leg with the racket, getting a treatment for his right arm and I've read he also have problems with his wrist. In one word, he will play his next match better ;-):

  208. Moxie says:

    As an overall assessment, Djokovic is still in the mystery column. Janowicz is a challenging first round, but shouldn't have been this much. Where is Novak's head and his body? Still TBD. And as far as Janowicz ever being an interesting player? This was a moment he could have seized. So, that is the measure of him.

  209. Moxie says:
    Carol

    I know they look thinner in person, but I have seen him many times through the TV and today he looks to me skinnier. He was hitting his leg with the racket, getting a treatment for his right arm and I've read he also have problems with his wrist. In one word, he will play his next match better ;-):

    Carol, you are bordering on wishing someone ill. He's no thinner than he ever has been since 2011, IMO. He's clearly not completely fit, but that could just be wear-and-tear (mental and physical.) Do you really need to make it something it isn't? That just seems mean, to me.

  210. britbox britbox says:

    The next match might not be easier. Jiri Vesely is up next for Novak… one of the few players he has already lost to this year.

    The good news for Djoker fans is that Vesely had a mammoth first rounder, coming through in five sets against Myneni.

    One to watch though for Round 2.

  211. Carol says:

    MoxieCarol, you are bordering on wishing someone ill. He's no thinner than he ever has been since 2011, IMO. He's clearly not completely fit, but that could just be wear-and-tear (mental and physical.) Do you really need to make it something it isn't? That just seems mean, to me.

    What are you talking about? why mean? I don't wish anything bad to anyone, on the contrary I love to see everybody healthy and injuries free because it's the only way they can play better more competitive and better game
    I haven't said that Novak is il, I SAID he looks thinner which doesn't mean he can be sick, maybe he needed to lose some weight like others players have done,mot was just an observation

  212. Moxie says:

    britboxThe next match might not be easier. Jiri Vesely is up next for Novak… one of the few players he has already lost to this year.

    The good news for Djoker fans is that Vesely had a mammoth first rounder, coming through in five sets against Myneni.

    One to watch though for Round 2.

    Given that Novak didn't look sturdy in this one, Vesely could be tough on paper, but, yes, his tough 5-setter today should take his legs out a bit, as a threat. It's still down to Novak and his fitness. He was not handed the easiest draw, just when he's feeling/looking a bit vulnerable. The question may not be of one opponent, but cumulative effect. Or, he'll do his more usual, and get stronger by rounds. This was a good match for him to get under his belt.

  213. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    no more so-called "super Saturday" though..

    .men's sf are Friday, final sunday. so women get Saturday to themselves.

  214. britbox britbox says:

    Results from the U.S. Open Men's Singles Round 1 matches on Monday – Updated to include night matches

    1-Novak Djokovic (Serbia) beat Jerzy Janowicz (Poland) 6-3 5-7 6-2 6-1
    5-Milos Raonic (Canada) beat Dustin Brown (Germany) 7-5 6-3 6-4
    32-Benoit Paire (France) beat Dusan Lajovic (Serbia) 6-2 2-6 3-6 7-5 6-1
    20-John Isner (U.S.) beat Frances Tiafoe (U.S.) 3-6 4-6 7-6(5) 6-2 7-6(3)
    Vasek Pospisil (Canada) beat Jozef Kovalik (Slovakia) 6-1 6-3 6-3
    Marcos Baghdatis (Cyprus) beat Facundo Bagnis (Argentina) 6-4 6-2 1-1 (Bagnis retired)
    4-Rafa Nadal (Spain) beat Denis Istomin (Uzbekistan) 6-1 6-4 6-2
    10-Gael Monfils (France) beat Gilles Muller (Luxembourg) 6-4 6-2 7-6(5)
    Andreas Seppi (Italy) beat Stephane Robert (France) 6-2 3-6 6-4 6-3
    Steve Darcis (Belgium) beat Jordan Thompson (Australia) 5-7 3-6 7-6(5) 6-4 7-5
    Nicolas Almagro (Spain) beat Marton Fucsovics (Hungary) 6-1 6-4 7-6(7)
    31-Albert Ramos (Spain) beat Julien Benneteau (France) 3-6 6-3 6-3 2-6 6-1
    Sergiy Stakhovsky (Ukraine) beat Gastao Elias (Portugal) 6-1 3-6 2-6 6-3 7-6(4)
    Ernesto Escobedo (U.S.) beat Lukas Lacko (Slovakia) 6-4 4-6 4-6 6-3 (Lacko retired)
    Andrey Kuznetsov (Russia) beat Thomaz Bellucci (Brazil) 6-4 3-6 6-1 7-6(6)
    7-Marin Cilic (Croatia) beat Rogerio Dutra Silva (Brazil) 6-4 7-5 6-1
    Guido Pella (Argentina) beat Bjorn Fratangelo (U.S.) 6-3 6-4 6-4
    Mikhail Youzhny (Russia) beat 28-Martin Klizan (Slovakia) 6-2 6-1 6-1
    Kyle Edmund (Britain) beat 13-Richard Gasquet (France) 6-2 6-2 6-3
    Jiri Vesely (Czech Republic) beat Saketh Myneni (India) 7-6(5) 4-6 2-6 6-2 7-5
    15-Roberto Bautista (Spain) beat Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (Spain) 7-5 6-1 6-7(5) 7-6(3)
    James Duckworth (Australia) beat Robin Haase (Netherlands) 4-6 7-5 6-3 4-6 6-3
    26-Jack Sock (U.S.) beat Taylor Fritz (U.S.) 7-6(3) 7-5 3-6 1-6 6-4
    Ryan Harrison (U.S.) beat Adrian Mannarino (France) 6-4 7-6(5) 6-3
    24-Lucas Pouille (France) beat Mikhail Kukushkin (Kazakhstan) 3-6 6-2 6-4 6-2
    9-Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (France) beat Guido Andreozzi (Argentina) 6-3 6-4 6-4
    Mischa Zverev (Germany) beat Pierre-Hugues Herbert (France) 6-4 7-6(6) 4-6 6-0
    18-Pablo Cuevas (Uruguay) beat Dudi Sela (Israel) 6-3 6-2 0-6 5-7 6-3
    Jan Satral (Czech Republic) beat Mackenzie McDonald (U.S.) 4-6 3-6 6-3 6-2 6-2
    Federico Delbonis (Argentina) beat Brian Baker (U.S.) 3-6 6-7(6) 6-4 6-2 6-2
    23-Kevin Anderson (South Africa) beat Yoshihito Nishioka (Japan) 6-3 7-5 6-4
    Marco Chiudinelli (Switzerland) beat Guilherme Clezar (Brazil) 2-6 7-6(6) 6-2 6-4

  215. britbox britbox says:

    Kyle Edmund (Britain) beat 13-Richard Gasquet (France) 6-2 6-2 6-3

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzmyGVweJtE%5D

  216. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieIt's not uncommon that people find the players to be thinner in real life than they look on TV. He got thinner when he went gluten-free, but I doubt he's thinner than that. He looks the same to me, in terms of body. The questions about his fitness are other.

    hopefull NOLE is OK and just that it's more about something we too can easily overlook — whichhe HAS mentioned — sometimes there are just times in the year when they are not at their most ''vigorous" – especially considering how LONG HIS dominance has been now.

    i mean — let us look back at all the great players — there are VERY FEW who have had such a PROLONGED continuous success at being number one — which means REACHING practically the great majority of finals or semis – THAT'S effort that can be so draining and harmful to their health and we can barely imagine what it takes – getup day in day out — my god.

    tha'ts their JOB and it's an extremely physical labor.

    that's one thing. the other thing is – MOXIE is correct – these tennis players — especiallynowadays with all the ''ripped" regimen? my goodness – they are quite' thin' by most ''average body" standards. and so what we normally see makes them look evne thinner in person.

    even half serious college players — just look at them – they're pretty ''thin'.

    the only players we are talking about i've ever seen in person and close enough – either during matches or in ordinary clothes:

    steffi graf, lindsay davenport, martina hingis, monica seles, patty schnyder in action in WTA PILOT PEN year end ..ALL were thinner than they looked on TV. i'd say more like ''very slender" .

    in person but wearing a t-shirt signing autographs and letting himself take pictures with fans — in MACY'S before a USO …promo

    PETE SAMPRAS…i was surprised at how ''lanky" he was..wiry is more the word perhaps, certainly athletic in a muscular way – but you could never think he was ''thick" or anything more than 'thin'.
    although by today's standard that would probably still be more 'average' compared to today's more extremely ''ripped" ones like nole.

    whatever ''frame-to -fat to weight to muscle to water" balance they have to maintain – it also depends on their particular frame such as neck size/length which can either emphasize the 'thin look' more on certain people than others.

    with pete – i notcied that he had a THICK neck – nole for instance, does not..so at 6'3 to pete's 6-1` nole would indeed look much thinner with his frame if they were even around the same weight give or take 5 pounds for example..

    pete also had THICKf- forearms – especially his rightplaying arm..wide muscles shoulders with full deltoids..but apart from that he was ''ordinary'' looking even, you'd never know he was then the greatest player on earth…

    which to nole might we what is necessary for hm to perform the way he has so consistently – inclduing all the stretching and the speed and repetitive ball striking that is more characteristic of the game-style nowaydays.

    there are just many factors , i think.

    but MOXIE is right about them – they are usually probably thinner than we remember on TV.

  217. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Kyle Edmund (Britain) beat 13-Richard Gasquet (France) 6-2 6-2 6-3

    THAT is a big one for the young kid from UK – GOOD for him. i hope he's going to be one of those that takes seriously his chances – and follow in ANDY'S footsteps. time for the ones waiting at the wings to make a go for it.

  218. teddytennisfan says:
    JesuslookslikeBorg

    no more so-called "super Saturday" though..

    .men's sf are Friday, final sunday. so women get Saturday to themselves.

    for the men – maybe that is better — more even in their rest period.

    and the women really did deserve to be JUST women – no matter the ''attendance"or tv dictates.
    why should women finals be just treated as 'sandwich"? they are their own tour and event, u know.

  219. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    As an overall assessment, Djokovic is still in the mystery column. Janowicz is a challenging first round, but shouldn't have been this much. Where is Novak's head and his body? Still TBD. And as far as Janowicz ever being an interesting player? This was a moment he could have seized. So, that is the measure of him.

    that;s very true about JJ — this was a match whereNOLE was probably as vulnerable as number one as he has shown elsewhere.

    and JJ definitely failed to capitalize– and whatever NOLE had left TODAY was just enough to keep through – as true, great champions do.

    NOLE had to win at less than his best – and that alone was amazing…

    but JJ has to do a lot of talking with himself from now on — as to why he is back in challengers….for all his immense abilities.

  220. teddytennisfan says:
    Carol

    What are you talking about? why mean? I don't wish anything bad to anyone, on the contrary I love to see everybody healthy and injuries free because it's the only way they can play better more competitive and better game
    I haven't said that Novak is il, I SAID he looks thinner which doesn't mean he can be sick, maybe he needed to lose some weight like others players have done,mot was just an observation

    i think carol does make a good point – it IS not easy to avoid remarking at nole's particular look because he is already very , very ripped even for tennis. and he does have a very wiry frame. the shoulders are wide, and he has a long body so when we look it can sometimes seem as if he's being 'too thin' or thinner than before.

    and then we see or read that he's had some relatively – by his standards — or we're accustomed to – ''poor' results – and it starts connecting to his health and how he looks to our eyes.

  221. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Given that Novak didn't look sturdy in this one, Vesely could be tough on paper, but, yes, his tough 5-setter today should take his legs out a bit, as a threat. It's still down to Novak and his fitness. He was not handed the easiest draw, just when he's feeling/looking a bit vulnerable. The question may not be of one opponent, but cumulative effect. Or, he'll do his more usual, and get stronger by rounds. This was a good match for him to get under his belt.

    good points — it's clear though that his draw — if these typs get through to meet him – they've piled on quite a few really HARD hitters. this one coming up is another one.

  222. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfanhopefull NOLE is OK and just that it's more about something we too can easily overlook — whichhe HAS mentioned — sometimes there are just times in the year when they are not at their most ''vigorous" – especially considering how LONG HIS dominance has been now.

    i mean — let us look back at all the great players — there are VERY FEW who have had such a PROLONGED continuous success at being number one — which means REACHING practically the great majority of finals or semis – THAT'S effort that can be so draining and harmful to their health and we can barely imagine what it takes – getup day in day out — my god.

    tha'ts their JOB and it's an extremely physical labor.

    that's one thing. the other thing is – MOXIE is correct – these tennis players — especiallynowadays with all the ''ripped" regimen? my goodness – they are quite' thin' by most ''average body" standards. and so what we normally see makes them look evne thinner in person.

    even half serious college players — just look at them – they're pretty ''thin'.

    the only players we are talking about i've ever seen in person and close enough – either during matches or in ordinary clothes:

    steffi graf, lindsay davenport, martina hingis, monica seles, patty schnyder in action in WTA PILOT PEN year end ..ALL were thinner than they looked on TV. i'd say more like ''very slender" .

    in person but wearing a t-shirt signing autographs and letting himself take pictures with fans — in MACY'S before a USO …promo

    PETE SAMPRAS…i was surprised at how ''lanky" he was..wiry is more the word perhaps, certainly athletic in a muscular way – but you could never think he was ''thick" or anything more than 'thin'.
    although by today's standard that would probably still be more 'average' compared to today's more extremely ''ripped" ones like nole.

    whatever ''frame-to -fat to weight to muscle to water" balance they have to maintain – it also depends on their particular frame such as neck size/length which can either emphasize the 'thin look' more on certain people than others.

    with pete – i notcied that he had a THICK neck – nole for instance, does not..so at 6'3 to pete's 6-1` nole would indeed look much thinner with his frame if they were even around the same weight give or take 5 pounds for example..

    pete also had THICKf- forearms – especially his rightplaying arm..wide muscles shoulders with full deltoids..but apart from that he was ''ordinary'' looking even, you'd never know he was then the greatest player on earth…

    which to nole might we what is necessary for hm to perform the way he has so consistently – inclduing all the stretching and the speed and repetitive ball striking that is more characteristic of the game-style nowaydays.

    there are just many factors , i think.

    but MOXIE is right about them – they are usually probably thinner than we remember on TV.

    Rafa was probably the first most famous "bulky" tennis player. And he was always remembered by those who reported on him as much taller and lankier than they saw him on TV, when they met him in person. They are distorted by video. I've never been interested in the conversation about how players look to us who watch them on TV. There are too many distorting factors involved.

  223. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Rafa was probably the first most famous "bulky" tennis player. And he was always remembered by those who reported on him as much taller and lankier than they saw him on TV, when they met him in person. They are distorted by video. I've never been interested in the conversation about how players look to us who watch them on TV. There are too many distorting factors involved.

    i lways look at them closely because after all — it's only by TV we can even see their game.s

    but of coruse we now know that TV supposedly makes people look ''fuller" or something — or whatever it is a person is like – it exaggerates it somewhat. if thin – thinner, if fat, even fatter, if looking muscular, even more so. .etc…

    but in real life really different.

    rafa just shows that a lot of it is also their exact INDIVIDUAL UNIQUE body make-up, rafa just has that DEEP upper body cavity not WIDE but DEEP from front to back in his chest cavity so – it adds to that ''bulk" look at how his shoulder blades are — they push OUT behind him – so it emphasizes his ''bulk'' but in no way means he is actually HEAVILY weighted with muscles – in fact – when he takes of fhis shirt — he's — THIN!! in his pectoral muscles. so – like you said — it's deceptive – the looks.

    i never udnerstand myself how that ''bulky nadal" came up – because i never thought of him that way – but i always thought he IS a 'big guy' in teh sense that he has muscles of a sort wrapped around his frame – but not as if he were so heavy or anything like that.

  224. Tennisproguru.com says:

    Novak had problems, but I do not think Vesely will be big problem for him.

    Vesely won just very closely over Myneni in 5 sets (7-6 4-6 2-6 6-2 7-5) and Mynemi is not top100 player (I did not hear about him till yesterday), and I watched few games of it and Vesely did not look absolutely healthy too.

    I do not want to say that Novak will beat Vesely with his left hand, but at his current state and current state of Vesely, Djokovic should win. And I think he will win in 3 sets.

  225. teddytennisfan says:
    Tennisproguru.com

    Novak had problems, but I do not think Vesely will be big problem for him.

    Vesely won just very closely over Myneni in 5 sets (7-6 4-6 2-6 6-2 7-5) and Mynemi is not top100 player (I did not hear about him till yesterday), and I watched few games of it and Vesely did not look absolutely healthy too.

    I do not want to say that Novak will beat Vesely with his left hand, but at his current state and current state of Vesely, Djokovic should win. And I think he will win in 3 sets.

    Tennisproguru.com

    Novak had problems, but I do not think Vesely will be big problem for him.

    Vesely won just very closely over Myneni in 5 sets (7-6 4-6 2-6 6-2 7-5) and Mynemi is not top100 player (I did not hear about him till yesterday), and I watched few games of it and Vesely did not look absolutely healthy too.

    I do not want to say that Novak will beat Vesely with his left hand, but at his current state and current state of Vesely, Djokovic should win. And I think he will win in 3 sets.

    i;m sure you know better because you've observed their matches and conditions and compared .

    hopefully for nole's sake he's going to play better now. vesely is that big tall guy also, if i remember correctly. so i was guessing that maybe it will be another ''big game" player against nole. but your observation that he too had a difficult time against a far less advanced player..that surely has to be a good indication. THANKS!

  226. teddytennisfan says:
    Tennisproguru.com

    Novak had problems, but I do not think Vesely will be big problem for him.

    Vesely won just very closely over Myneni in 5 sets (7-6 4-6 2-6 6-2 7-5) and Mynemi is not top100 player (I did not hear about him till yesterday), and I watched few games of it and Vesely did not look absolutely healthy too.

    I do not want to say that Novak will beat Vesely with his left hand, but at his current state and current state of Vesely, Djokovic should win. And I think he will win in 3 sets.

    WHAT about NADAL? did you catch his performance and what do you think his level is like now?

    we will also find out today how ANDY does –
    but of course so many others to keep an eye for.

  227. brokenshoelace says:

    I missed the match. Did anyone catch whether Nadal is still using his weird wide position when serving on the ad court?

  228. Moxie says:

    Hey, Broken. Good to see you. I was traveling and didn't see any matches until Djoker started.

  229. Twisted says:
    brokenshoelace

    I missed the match. Did anyone catch whether Nadal is still using his weird wide position when serving on the ad court?

    Yes, he was still doing it.

  230. Twisted says:

    Novak looked like he didn't want to be out there. I know that phrase gets said sometimes but he REALLY looked like he didn't want to be there. That might have been a bigger issue last night than his fitness.

  231. Moxie says:
    Twisted

    Novak looked like he didn't want to be out there. I know that phrase gets said sometimes but he REALLY looked like he didn't want to be there. That might have been a bigger issue last night than his fitness.

    I'm not sure I would say that. I would say that about his match against Querrey at Wimbledon. He only looked his best in fits and starts last night. It was hard to see what was bothering him or not working for him. Surely Janowicz proved once and for all that he's a non-entity by not taking advantage of a distracted and wounded Novak better than he did.

  232. Tennisproguru.com says:
    brokenshoelace

    I missed the match. Did anyone catch whether Nadal is still using his weird wide position when serving on the ad court?

    I saw last five games of Nadal third set and he was pretty dominant .. but taking into account that Istomin at that moment did not have much hope for a win, I would not make any serious conclusion from what I saw ..

    But if your questions aims at his health .. Rafa looked fine a relaxed 😉

  233. britbox britbox says:

    Results from the U.S. Open Men's Singles Round 1 matches on Tuesday

    Viktor Troicki (Serbia) beat Radu Albot (Moldova) 5-7 3-6 6-4 6-4 7-6(5)
    16-Feliciano Lopez (Spain) beat Borna Coric (Croatia) 3-4 (Coric retired)
    Joao Sousa (Portugal) beat Victor Estrella (Dominican Republic) 6-0 6-1 6-1
    Jared Donaldson (U.S.) beat 12-David Goffin (Belgium) 4-6 7-5 6-4 6-0
    Alessandro Giannessi (Italy) beat Denis Kudla (U.S.) 0-6 6-4 6-1 1-6 6-0
    Paul-Henri Mathieu (France) beat Christian Harrison (U.S.) 6-0 6-2 6-1
    Janko Tipsarevic (Serbia) beat 29-Sam Querrey (U.S.) 7-6(4) 6-7(0) 6-3 6-3
    3-Stanislas Wawrinka (Switzerland) beat Fernando Verdasco (Spain) 7-6(4) 6-4 6-4
    Nicolas Mahut (France) beat 25-Philipp Kohlschreiber (Germany) 6-3 7-5 1-0 (Kohlschreiber retired)
    11-David Ferrer (Spain) beat Alexandr Dolgopolov (Ukraine) 6-5 (Dolgopolov retired)
    27-Alexander Zverev (Germany) beat Daniel Brands (Germany) 3-6 6-1 6-4 7-6(4)
    Daniel Evans (Britain) beat Rajeev Ram (U.S.) 6-2 4-6 7-5 6-1
    Karen Khachanov (Russia) beat Thomas Fabbiano (Italy) 6-3 6-3 4-6 6-3
    22-Grigor Dimitrov (Bulgaria) beat Inigo Cervantes (Spain) 6-2 6-4 7-6(7)
    6-Kei Nishikori (Japan) beat Benjamin Becker (Germany) 6-1 6-1 3-6 6-3
    Pablo Carreno (Spain) beat Ilya Ivashka (Belarus) 6-0 7-5 6-2
    Jeremy Chardy (France) beat Michael Mmoh (U.S.) 6-4 6-4 6-1
    Juan Martin Del Potro (Argentina) beat Diego Schwartzman (Argentina) 6-4 6-4 7-6(3)
    Damir Dzumhur (Bosnia and Herzegovina) beat 17-Bernard Tomic (Australia) 6-4 6-3 4-6 7-6(0)
    Horacio Zeballos (Argentina) beat Florian Mayer (Germany) 6-3 6-4 7-6(7)

  234. britbox britbox says:

    Young nextgen star-to-be Jared Donaldson pulls off a big win against David Goffin. 4-6 7-5 6-4 6-0

  235. teddytennisfan says:

    delpo did good, so did venus.

    serena and andy coming up!

  236. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Young nextgen star-to-be Jared Donaldson pulls off a big win against David Goffin. 4-6 7-5 6-4 6-0

    tey need to PAN to the other matches too – even if only in parts. so people can have a sense of how players are doing.

  237. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfantey need to PAN to the other matches too – even if only in parts. so people can have a sense of how players are doing.

    Agreed! I was shocked by that one.

  238. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfandelpo did good, so did venus.

    serena and andy coming up!

    So happy for both. Saw more of Venus than Delpo (US coverage,) but Juan Martin looked intimidating. (And shockingly bright in all that neon yellow.)

  239. britbox britbox says:

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJbEa5SNI60%5D

    Sam Querrey tours the facility. Good job he booked because he's been knocked out already.

  240. britbox britbox says:

    MoxieAgreed! I was shocked by that one.

    Donaldson's getting better and better. He's beginning to bridge that gap between the challengers / qualifiers and the main tour.

  241. britbox britbox says:

    It's a good win over Goffin too, who is Mr Steady Eddy and generally beats the players who's he's supposed to beat.

  242. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    del potro wins. the universe celebrates.

  243. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    So happy for both. Saw more of Venus than Delpo (US coverage,) but Juan Martin looked intimidating. (And shockingly bright in all that neon yellow.)

    haha — someone as BIG as that argentine – that shirt the company seems to giveto many players looks like a blanket. lol.
    "hey everyone — this my mother's table- cloth" !!
    lol.

    serena looking like she wants this USO seriously – and doesn't want to waste energy and time and any chance to get long bouts and end up straining herself. good approach i think.

    sometimes tha'ts been my worry about her — when she goes about with a slow start…and needlessly makes things harder and more prolonged than her game should allow.

  244. teddytennisfan says:

    she;s really all business tonight, so far.

    3 match points. JUST FINISH IT SERENA1

    2 MATCH POINTS..

    1 MATCH POINT — just go forward and meet the ball and hit it with a winner. .

  245. teddytennisfan says:

    YES!!! she did like i asked — though only half-in the court. but at least she TOOK it . rather than keep going with the rally.

  246. teddytennisfan says:

    aha — now the world KNOWS what is serena's SECRET in her greatest of all serves — man or woman — in history —

    ''i don't think — except ACE'.

    THAT'S IT. LOL..

  247. teddytennisfan says:

    OK heeeerrreeee comes ANDY – AND LUKAS!! what's it gonna be ?

    SHORT OR LONG MATCH? lol.

  248. britbox britbox says:

    Successful navigation of a banana skin.

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  249. britbox britbox says:

    teddytennisfanOK heeeerrreeee comes ANDY – AND LUKAS!! what's it gonna be ?

    SHORT OR LONG MATCH? lol.

    Murray will take him. Lukas will grab a set at best.

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  250. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Agreed! I was shocked by that one.

    it's just one of the four times a year we ordinary folks that can't buy tickets — and be there — get to know how many other players play.

    they need someone like Britbox to manage this for them!

  251. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Murray will take him. Lukas will grab a set at best.

    Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk

    haha — ok . andy better try and make it short if he wants to sleep!! hehe.

  252. teddytennisfan says:

    imagine what happens when or if ANDY AND RAONIC MEET!!

    the lendl versus mcenroe battle!

  253. teddytennisfan says:

    LUKAS is also very good — huge game and very good mover this guy and he's not intimidated by anyone – but let's see if he can outwit ANDY!!

  254. teddytennisfan says:

    american steve johnson did great!! amazing to come back from 2 sets down!! he now meets THE YELLOW SHIRTED TANK!

  255. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Successful navigation of a banana skin.

    Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk

    HAHA…so true!!

  256. britbox britbox says:

    teddytennisfanimagine what happens when or if ANDY AND RAONIC MEET!!

    the lendl versus mcenroe battle!

    I think Mac and Raonic just split this week.

  257. teddytennisfan says:
    JesuslookslikeBorg

    del potro wins. the universe celebrates.

    he goes back to being the altar boy — always praying in thanks ..cute.

  258. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    I think Mac and Raonic just split this week.

    no…johnny mac just got to the booth saying he was just finishing working with raonic in practice.

    maybe after raonic loses. lol.

  259. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Sam Querrey tours the facility. Good job he booked because he's been knocked out already.

    he's gonna work as security now.

  260. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    the rosol geezer could be in beast mode tonight. andy needs to be sharp.

  261. Mastoor says:

    teddytennisfanno…johnny mac just got to the booth saying he was just finishing working with raonic in practice.

    maybe after raonic loses. lol.

    I hear mac has been busy speculating circumstances of No1e's marriage on national tv ever since. I think he can't go lower, but he will find a way to deny it.

  262. Carol says:

    MastoorI hear mac has been busy speculating circumstances of No1e's marriage on national tv ever since. I think he can't go lower, but he will find a way to deny it.

    He is ok, he looked happy yesterday :drums:

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw-eRp-d2-4%5D

  263. Mastoor says:

    CarolHe is ok, he looked happy yesterday :drums:

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw-eRp-d2-4%5D

    Thanks Carol. I was talking about McEnroe, not about No1e.

  264. Carol says:

    MastoorThanks Carol. I was talking about McEnroe, not about No1e.

    Who cares what Mac or someone else says, only Novak knows what are his personal or physical problems

  265. Mastoor says:

    CarolWho cares what Mac or someone else says, only Novak knows what are his personal or physical problems

    That's very good opinion.

  266. Carol says:

    Come on Muzz, remind him that "nobody likes him" :laugh:
    By the way Rosol is really close to be bald though I've heard that it's a sign of virility, is it true? :-)2

  267. Mastoor says:
    Carol

    Come on Muzz, remind him that "nobody likes him" :laugh:
    By the way Rosol is really close to be bald though I've heard that it's a sign of virility, is it true? :-)2

    Not when you are close to 50, but for Rosol's age it probably is (was in my case)

  268. Carol says:
    Mastoor

    Not when you are close to 50, but for Rosol's age it probably is (was in my case)

    Lol, I don't know, in Spain there are many bald ones (they don't like to wear fake hair) and they always say that maybe as a consolation? 🙂

  269. Moxie says:

    LOL, Murray is in full flight and improvisation now. Rosil (nod to my buddy Kieran) is flailing.

  270. Moxie says:

    Early night at the Open. Just after 11pm and Murray is through. He's looking very fine.

  271. Carol says:

    Does someone know at what time Rafa plays tomorrow?

  272. Moxie says:

    CarolDoes someone know at what time Rafa plays tomorrow?

    He's the 2nd up on the night session tomorrow, so he won't start before Muguruza finishes, and her match won't start before 7pm. Probably around 10pm EDT?

  273. Tennisproguru.com says:

    Johnson – DelPotro in second round .. that match can be really interesting .. both in great form, delPotro one of my favourite for quarterfinal but Johnson plays his best tennis this August

  274. Twisted says:

    MoxieLOL, Murray is in full flight and improvisation now. Rosil (nod to my buddy Kieran) is flailing.

    I don't understand the hatred for Rosol. He seems like a great young chap to me :laugh:

  275. teddytennisfan says:
    Twisted

    I don't understand the hatred for Rosol. He seems like a great young chap to me :laugh:

    PROBABLY many are based on impressions based on incidents based on rosol well …………''not likeable" — and maybe he isn't ''sufficiently social or nice" and shows he couldn't care less.

  276. isabelle says:

    Tennisproguru.comJohnson – DelPotro in second round .. that match can be really interesting .. both in great form, delPotro one of my favourite for quarterfinal but Johnson plays his best tennis this August

    can'ts wait, it's a mouth watering match vamos Juan !!

  277. britbox britbox says:

    Results from the U.S. Open Men's Singles Round 2 matches on Wednesday

    9-Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (France) beat James Duckworth (Australia) 6-4 3-6 6-3 6-4
    Marcos Baghdatis (Cyprus) beat 32-Benoit Paire (France) 6-2 6-4 3-6 6-4
    20-John Isner (U.S.) beat Steve Darcis (Belgium) 6-3 6-4 6-7(10) 6-3
    23-Kevin Anderson (South Africa) beat Vasek Pospisil (Canada) 7-6(3) 6-4 6-4
    1-Novak Djokovic (Serbia) beat Jiri Vesely (Czech Republic) walkover
    Kyle Edmund (Britain) beat Ernesto Escobedo (U.S.) 7-5 6-4 6-4

  278. britbox britbox says:

    Novak gets the walkover against Jiri Vesely. I guess Jiri hadn't recovered – I think he pulled out of the last tournament mid-match if my mind remembers correctly.

  279. britbox britbox says:

    Ryan Harrison putting up a decent account of himself against Milos. Some of the young Americans showcasing their potential early at the Open.

  280. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    cant believe milos is making heavy weather of ryan Harrison. post McEnroe ennui is kicking in maybe?.

  281. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    Edmund zoomed through in straights, wouldn't mind a 4th rd clash with djoko, but kyle got isner in rd 3 so that's a tough one.

  282. britbox britbox says:
    JesuslookslikeBorg

    cant believe milos is making heavy weather of ryan Harrison. post McEnroe ennui is kicking in maybe?.

    I keep hearing conflicting reports whether Milos and Mac are still working together. I thought they'd split but apparently McEnroe had said in the booth he'd just come away from a practice with Milos yesterday.

  283. Moxie says:

    Roanic out to Harrison (Milos was seen for the wrist and someone said something about his leg). Novak's probably glad to get that walkover.

  284. Carol says:

    What is going on with Zverev "the future of tennis", is he injured too? 🙁

  285. Moxie says:

    CarolWhat is going on with Zverev "the future of tennis", is he injured too? 🙁

    If you mean v. Sock, this is Mischa, the older and less-talented brother. I think Sasha, the rising star, is in the other half of the draw.

  286. Carol says:
    Moxie

    If you mean v. Sock, this is Mischa, the older and less-talented brother. I think Sasha, the rising star, is in the other half of the draw.

    Oops, I've just turn on the TV and I saw his name, I thought he was Alexander (Sasha?)

  287. Moxie says:
    britbox

    I keep hearing conflicting reports whether Milos and Mac are still working together. I thought they'd split but apparently McEnroe had said in the booth he'd just come away from a practice with Milos yesterday.

    McEnroe is in the booth now talking about Raonic's match, and he sure sounds like he's still working with him.

  288. Moxie says:

    CarolOops, I've just turn on the TV and I saw his name, I thought he was Alexander (Sasha?)

    Sasha is Alexander's his nickname. Shorter to type. 😉

  289. britbox britbox says:

    Nadal/Seppi is on after the Garbine Murguruza match… so probably just over an hours time.

  290. Moxie says:

    I hope Garbiñe is sharp and gets this one done fast. Same with Rafa. 🙂

  291. Carol says:

    This Chris Evert is 😮 :negative: :nono:

    And now we have to hear Mac……….

  292. Moxie says:

    I love Johnny Mac.

  293. Moxie says:

    It's super-noisy. They think it might be the new roof. Oh, and that New Yorkers are effing noisy!

  294. britbox britbox says:

    Nadal off to a good start with a break.

    I'm not a fan of Mac either. One of the most irritating commentators for sure.

  295. Moxie says:

    You folks are hard to please. Next thing you'll tell me is you don't like Brad Gilbert.

  296. Moxie says:

    Seppi is not really adequate to it today. Rafa has hit some great forehands, though.

  297. Carol says:

    I think the roof makes the sound louder

  298. Moxie says:

    It certainly makes it stiller. Wind has become essentially a non-factor, and that's with the roof open. Simply the structure at the top of the stadium. I was there last year, and it's much hotter inside with the new lip at the top. It's also shaded much more.

  299. Moxie says:

    Chris Fowler: "Seppi refuses to win this game."

  300. Moxie says:

    What a scoop up to win that set!

  301. Moxie says:

    And Seppi is on the board…7 games in.

  302. Carol says:

    As more the umpire ask for silence as more they make more noise, awful. I can imagine if one of these days they have to close the roof…..it will look more like a soccer/football/baseball games that tennis matches

  303. Moxie says:

    The crowd finally gets excited…they're closing the roof for the first time ever!

  304. Moxie says:

    And Rafa's smiling…he looks excited, too. (He's excited that it doesn't take as long to close as the one at Wimbledon.)

  305. Carol says:

    I talked and now they are closing the roof because there are a couple of drops….:-( 😀

  306. Carol says:

    And right now in Miami we have a big storm 😀

  307. Moxie says:

    Didn't know you were in Miami. Keep your head down. I think there are a couple of big storms heading your way. Meanwhile, Rafa dropped his concentration, and should have been out of this set already.

  308. Carol says:
    Moxie

    Didn't know you were in Miami. Keep your head down. I think there are a couple of big storms heading your way. Meanwhile, Rafa dropped his concentration, and should have been out of this set already.

    Yep, I live in Miami and now it's the hurricane season, hope those storms go to diferent direction :bye:

  309. britbox britbox says:

    Should be a formality for Rafa. Can't see Seppi getting back into this.

  310. Moxie says:

    I think there is the one that wants to skim up towards NC, and the one heading for the Gulf. Hopefully you don't get more than rain.

    And hopefully Rafa closes this down before midnight.

  311. Moxie says:

    britboxShould be a formality for Rafa. Can't see Seppi getting back into this.

    Match-ups are a funny thing. Seppi has troubled Djokovic a bit more, but hasn't even taken a set on Rafa since 2005.

  312. teddytennisfan says:

    britboxNovak gets the walkover against Jiri Vesely. I guess Jiri hadn't recovered – I think he pulled out of the last tournament mid-match if my mind remembers correctly.

    poor JIRI. i hope IT'S not an injury or serious something. but of course it's just what NOLE probably needed at this point.

  313. Billie says:

    It seems to be a little noisier with the roof now on AA Stadium. Did anybody attend any matches there?

  314. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Match-ups are a funny thing. Seppi has troubled Djokovic a bit more, but hasn't even taken a set on Rafa since 2005.

    oi — i never knew that about their match-ups. it's like ''old times|" between rafa and seppi then. lol.

    but the important thing is rafa seems to be MOVING well…MOST, MOST critical thing. he's looking like he's actually loving it…in fact i don't think i've seen him THIS ''tickled" after the match in an interview about performing and this early. he looks almost like he's a TEEN again? see? did you just hear that when he was challenged to hit the ball over the roof? and he goe s

    "you want me to try?!!" like he wants to have FUN!!

    i don't remember him that way , reallly

  315. teddytennisfan says:

    I LOVE seeing RAFA like this — he's really TICKLED!!

  316. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    I think there is the one that wants to skim up towards NC, and the one heading for the Gulf. Hopefully you don't get more than rain.

    And hopefully Rafa closes this down before midnight.

    THAT WAS FAST game. lol.

    remember those years — when tennis world was ragging on and on and on about how rafa was ''incapable" of winning ''swiftly" ? lol…

    don't even mention about he was NEVER supposed to be able to play well on any surface outside of clay, lol!! i love recalling that because it feels so good to see he proved all naysayers in those early ears so ooooooooooooooo WRONG!! LOL

  317. Moxie says:

    Good win for Rafa, and glad to see him feeling it. Roanic is out, and Djokovic is swooning a bit. ¡Vamos!

  318. Billie says:

    britboxI keep hearing conflicting reports whether Milos and Mac are still working together. I thought they'd split but apparently McEnroe had said in the booth he'd just come away from a practice with Milos yesterday.

    They are not working together. That reference was in regards to Wimbledon practice, you must have misunderstood him.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor…p-with-canadian-milos-raonic/article31589953/

  319. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieSasha is Alexander's his nickname. Shorter to type. 😉

    BEING THAT i was recently visited St Petersburg , russia.

    u know russians have a penchant for changing a foreigner's name to something russian?
    i mean they will just automatically (once you have become more acquainted and friendly) – address you with your name ''russianized" and in a ''nickname" form.

    like – MY formal name is Teodoro – so we say 'teddy' in english, right/

    to russians — they started calling me Todor…or TodorE…(and in russian i learned they spelled it in two or 3 different ways, in fact, even in the visa or the 'migrant entry' card upon arrival) –

    and the short form was the nickname which they used instead of 'teddy'.

  320. Moxie says:

    BillieThey are not working together. That reference was in regards to Wimbledon practice, you must have misunderstood him.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor…p-with-canadian-milos-raonic/article31589953/

    Then maybe John is just being sentimental about it, because he sure talks like he's still involved with Milos' camp. I want to find the article where John told him to grow a pair and Milos says that it changed his attitude. That has to be fun.

  321. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Good win for Rafa, and glad to see him feeling it. Roanic is out, and Djokovic is swooning a bit. ¡Vamos!

    i was somewhat surprised raonic went out so early . i didn't catch his game anywhere if they showed it – but wasn't he supposed to at least make some dent?

  322. teddytennisfan says:
    Billie

    They are not working together. That reference was in regards to Wimbledon practice, you must have misunderstood him.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor…p-with-canadian-milos-raonic/article31589953/

    oh i see. so to me it got confusing because yesterday JOHNNY MAC was saying something about being in the booth and after talking and "now –i can 't be biased" or something like that. i thought it was about being in the booth and after practice and not to be cheering for his ward…

  323. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfanBEING THAT i was recently visited St Petersburg , russia.

    u know russians have a penchant for changing a foreigner's name to something russian?
    i mean they will just automatically (once you have become more acquainted and friendly) – address you with your name ''russianized" and in a ''nickname" form.

    like – MY formal name is Teodoro – so we say 'teddy' in english, right/

    to russians — they started calling me Todor…or TodorE…(and in russian i learned they spelled it in two or 3 different ways, in fact, even in the visa or the 'migrant entry' card upon arrival) –

    and the short form was the nickname which they used instead of 'teddy'.

    Don't Russians change all names, and use 7 or 8 forms? That's my experience with trying to read those books. Where'd you get your fascination with Russia, Teddy, and how was St. Petersburg? (Maybe we could take this one to the travel forum.)

  324. Billie says:

    teddytennisfani was somewhat surprised raonic went out so early . i didn't catch his game anywhere if they showed it – but wasn't he supposed to at least make some dent?

    Apparently he had all sorts of issues:

    NEW YORK—The cramping became so debilitating, Milos Raonic said, he couldn’t grip his racket properly.

    The Wimbledon runner-up just last month, and seeded No. 5 at the U.S. Open, Raonic began to feel pain near his left wrist midway through the second set of what would become a stunning 6-7 (4), 7-5, 7-5, 6-1 second-round loss to 120th-ranked American qualifier Ryan Harrison on Wednesday.

    Eventually, the problem spread to Raonic’s right forearm. Then both thighs. Then his left hip flexor. Afterward, his back seized up when he tried to sling his equipment bag over a shoulder. No way to try to win a tennis match. Or to serve: That’s normally his most effective stroke, yet he double-faulted 15 times.

    “It was just catching me all over,” Raonic said. “I started getting small (cramps) where I couldn’t hold the racket. I couldn’t switch grips from one point to the next. There were a few points where I would hold the racket with my left and try to stretch out my right hand in between shots — and that’s not going to work.”

    https://www.thestar.com/sports/tenn…of-us-open-milos-raonic-looks-to-advance.html

  325. Billie says:

    teddytennisfanoh i see. so to me it got confusing because yesterday JOHNNY MAC was saying something about being in the booth and after talking and "now –i can 't be biased" or something like that. i thought it was about being in the booth and after practice and not to be cheering for his ward…

    Yeah, I think because of his commentary work, people were raising the issue of "bias", even though I don't think that should be an issue, but who knows.

  326. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Then maybe John is just being sentimental about it, because he sure talks like he's still involved with Milos' camp. I want to find the article where John told him to grow a pair and Milos says that it changed his attitude. That has to be fun.

    REALLY, MOXIE? johnny said that? GOOD — because i actually thnk that's the trouble with milos. .TOO CAREFUL. imo. too much ''calculating and thinking and " too much ''method?" u know/ ?

    everything is too ''studied" and so it lacks that extra ingredient of just spontaneous DARING…

    that's what makes guys like rafa, roger, nole, andy , delpo different. they have DARING. and are willing to take very big risks if the moment arrives …but milos is too ''trained" i his thinking, imo.

    and i wouldn't be surprised if its john that ended it ..

  327. teddytennisfan says:

    tha'ts HORRIBLE — feel bad for milos it had to be like that. probably not hydrated properly for some reason. nowadays – especially today was too humid and that can happen.

  328. Moxie says:

    BillieApparently he had all sorts of issues:

    NEW YORK—The cramping became so debilitating, Milos Raonic said, he couldn’t grip his racket properly.

    The Wimbledon runner-up just last month, and seeded No. 5 at the U.S. Open, Raonic began to feel pain near his left wrist midway through the second set of what would become a stunning 6-7 (4), 7-5, 7-5, 6-1 second-round loss to 120th-ranked American qualifier Ryan Harrison on Wednesday.

    Eventually, the problem spread to Raonic’s right forearm. Then both thighs. Then his left hip flexor. Afterward, his back seized up when he tried to sling his equipment bag over a shoulder. No way to try to win a tennis match. Or to serve: That’s normally his most effective stroke, yet he double-faulted 15 times.

    “It was just catching me all over,” Raonic said. “I started getting small (cramps) where I couldn’t hold the racket. I couldn’t switch grips from one point to the next. There were a few points where I would hold the racket with my left and try to stretch out my right hand in between shots — and that’s not going to work.”

    https://www.thestar.com/sports/tenn…of-us-open-milos-raonic-looks-to-advance.html

    It was a bit tough to watch, tbh. He was clearly impaired.

  329. teddytennisfan says:
    Billie

    Yeah, I think because of his commentary work, people were raising the issue of "bias", even though I don't think that should be an issue, but who knows.

    ohplease -= something people make too much of it. what bias?

  330. teddytennisfan says:
    Carol

    What is going on with Zverev "the future of tennis", is he injured too? 🙁

    cpmmentators are talking of him to perhaps meet TOMIC. battle of the younger ones.

  331. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfanohplease -= something people make too much of it. what bias?

    I'm not sure about that, either. Mouratoglou is commenting on TC, and he's Serena's coach.

  332. Billie says:

    teddytennisfanohplease -= something people make too much of it. what bias?

    I don't know Teddy, if you were asking me. 😀

    Didn't Becker quit commentating when he started working with Nole? I guess when they are in the inner circles of these players, they have more info about them than they normally would…

  333. Billie says:

    MoxieIt was a bit tough to watch, tbh. He was clearly impaired.

    That's too bad. Those things are hard to watch. I didn't know about it until just few minutes ago when I looked at news. Hopefully he'll get better soon.

  334. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    I'm not sure about that, either. Mouratoglou is commenting on TC, and he's Serena's coach.

    come already.

    sometimes it's these other commentators themselves — they just throw around words — ''bias":

    or say things like "oh – hi john — welcome to the booth – i guess there won't be any concerns about bias" …like — hello was ANYBODY saying something about bias?

    THEY COME up with little things like tha tand give the impression EVERYONE actually cares or noticed or even thought about it. when it's just them imagining their little words…just to say something…especially that dick enberg — he does that – coming up with nonsense remarks, really.

  335. teddytennisfan says:
    Billie

    I don't know Teddy, if you were asking me. 😀

    Didn't Becker quit commentating when he started working with Nole? I guess when they are in the inner circles of these players, they have more info about them than they normally would…

    ya – maybe like that — but it's more about avoiding giving the ''wrong impression' — but really — so what/ ? if they give a more or less professional assessment at the booth for both players especially avoiding a match of THEIR player — nothing wrong about that. i think.

    ll they need to do is give their professional observations on how this or that player might have done a better forehand, or tactic this or that. nothing wrong with it, imo.

    people can be so PC.

  336. Billie says:

    teddytennisfanBEING THAT i was recently visited St Petersburg , russia.

    u know russians have a penchant for changing a foreigner's name to something russian?
    i mean they will just automatically (once you have become more acquainted and friendly) – address you with your name ''russianized" and in a ''nickname" form.

    like – MY formal name is Teodoro – so we say 'teddy' in english, right/

    to russians — they started calling me Todor…or TodorE…(and in russian i learned they spelled it in two or 3 different ways, in fact, even in the visa or the 'migrant entry' card upon arrival) –

    and the short form was the nickname which they used instead of 'teddy'.

    We would call you Todor in Serbia too.;-): I might just start now.:yes:

    If you feel like it and if you have some interesting photos, you could share them with us (pretty please) here:

    http://discuss.tennis/tennisforum/threads/discuss-tennis-travel-adventures.919/#post-30868

  337. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    I'm not sure about that, either. Mouratoglou is commenting on TC, and he's Serena's coach.

    IN FACT — although certainly ''OUT OF BOOTH" – but he WAS asked to comment on the field…mouratoglou was on the verge os saying what could be deemed by some as ''controversial"

    such as when he EXPLAINED what things he looks for in order to AGREE to coach a player — AND THEN HE mentioned the difference between players who just have so much talent and those that have so much will — and then some have both and others have talent but not ''fight' and so on and on..nothing that WE don't talk about all the time.

    and almost blurted out ''names" among those with NOT SO MUCH TALENT but will ''and are in the top 10-20 i will not mention names".

    haha.

  338. Billie says:

    teddytennisfanya – maybe like that — but it's more about avoiding giving the ''wrong impression' — but really — so what/ ? if they give a more or less professional assessment at the booth for both players especially avoiding a match of THEIR player — nothing wrong about that. i think.

    ll they need to do is give their professional observations on how this or that player might have done a better forehand, or tactic this or that. nothing wrong with it, imo.

    people can be so PC.

    Do you think good ol' Johnny can be totally professional and not show "bias"? I think he likes to bring up a lot of personal stuff about other players.

  339. Billie says:

    Schedule of play for Thursday (for the biggest courts):

    AA at 1:00pm Granollers vs Murray (the only men's match during day) and then Johnson vs Del Potro at night (after Serena).

    LA at 11: Nishikori vs Khachanov and the last match there Giannessi vs Wawrinka.

    Grandstand: Thiem vs Berankis and not before 5:30pm Kyrgios vs Zeballos

    Court 17: Karlovic vs Young and Fognini vs Ferrer

  340. Billie says:

    Schedule of play for Thursday (for the biggest courts):

    AA at 1:00pm Granollers vs Murray (the only men's match during day) and then Johnson vs Del Potro at night (after Serena).

    LA at 11: Nishikori vs Khachanov and the last match there Giannessi vs Wawrinka.

    Grandstand: Thiem vs Berankis and not before 5:30pm Kyrgios vs Zeballos

    Court 17: Karlovic vs Young and Fognini vs Ferrer

  341. teddytennisfan says:

    BillieWe would call you Todor in Serbia too.;-): I might just start now.:yes:

    If you feel like it and if you have some interesting photos, you could share them with us (pretty please) here:

    http://discuss.tennis/tennisforum/threads/discuss-tennis-travel-adventures.919/#post-30868

    oh i LIKE that. i got used to it after a couple days (was there 2 weeks) at first i wasn't sure they were calling me – but someone would say —

    "todor — come i want to introduce you to my friend….etc.etc".

    a slavic fellow poster friend online in another website told me it's the slavic way of calling someone in a friendly way. so i really feel honored even. and he said some would even make it in the 'familiar" and say ''todE". LIKE NolE. i like that…so nice..

    i am so bad with photos and i NEVER even realized a cellphone can take photos – until that time and was never sure what i was ''snatching" – lol. i'm bad with these technie things. lol.

    but i got a few at least…
    the big NEVA river during the group outing that was like five hours on the ferry – even say the historic Navy, steam engine battle ship Czar Peter ship docking for that same night's big celebration and fireworks ..they're SO fond of fireworks – the russians. the museums – forget it — magnificent, magnificent .orthodox churches SO BIG you feel like an ant..lol. st petersburg is truly beautiful, i tell you ..

    BIG city , Sooooo clean …soooo rich in history in EVERY block it's mindboggling…river ferries in so many rivers…romantic bridges of all sorts…people walking often holding hands, families, friends, couples…russians like to HUG – i noticed..so polite and so friendly and helpful…i loved it there.
    everyday – there would always be people on the streets willing to help with directions or even WALK with me a couple of big blocks or more to make sure i was not lost…often strangers would even ask :"are you lost? do you need help ? " and then help me with my map..i love that country – that SLAVIC culture and their people.

    in the ferry outing — the girlfriend of one of the russian guys – we were sharing a table chatting away with a german and a french in our group — and the girlfriend – from far north siberia – teasingly but half-serious told me

    "todooor…sascha and i want to tell you something…"

    i said? sure….please tell me..

    "u know todor…we are upset at you".
    why? i'm sorry if i did something wrong..
    "well…we are upset because we thought you are ignoring us…"
    'but no – i was not maybe i'm just shy".
    ''no todor — we thought you don't want to talk to us because you won't tell us what happened to your forehead — your wound"…

    (because in my hurry earlier that day – my eyes were on the map on thestreet and i FELL forward and had a nasty wound that just put napkin on with my spit, lol and didn't want to bother anyone)..

    and THEY were upset that i didn't ask them to fix it. because i just went to a nearby pharmacy , got bandage (5 cents for five pieces, lol) – and put it on before joining the group outing…

    that's what i mean about them — they made me and all others that were foreigners feel like a person, u know? maybe that is a slavic trait.

  342. teddytennisfan says:

    BillieDo you think good ol' Johnny can be totally professional and not show "bias"? I think he likes to bring up a lot of personal stuff about other players.

    haha — indeed – he has a tendency – lol. he loves to talk and usually insert something about ''during my time of playing". hehe.

  343. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Don't Russians change all names, and use 7 or 8 forms? That's my experience with trying to read those books. Where'd you get your fascination with Russia, Teddy, and how was St. Petersburg? (Maybe we could take this one to the travel forum.)

    oh — i grew up that way Moxie…strange though it might sound, coming from so far away, and so different – philipines…AND inthe south where we are mixed muslims and catholics and otherindigenous…

    but my mom was a college educator and dean – and taught a lot of college subjects – humanities, math, economics, spanish, english literature, that kind of thing…so we grew up with lots of ''culture, literature, reading.. and geography and music arts, history, the world " stuff from her at home…since she was quite the highloy respected person in the big town..always bringing ideas and culture and that kind of thing…

    and i grew up being encouraged to read about the world, and she'd bring home books from the college library or buy us sets of world literature – and then read to us pages from great works of the world…and one of them of course were those russian things

    so i had an early exposure at least to ''learn to appreciate cultures" as she used to say…and ONE of HER favorites was russian works…she actually made me read ''WAR AND PEACE" by leo tolstoy when i was a teen, lol so we could discuss with my siblings the themes of great works like that. o'r 'brothers karamazov"..
    and then like to her humanities classes about world culture – she'd bring recordings of classical music – naturally including russian and slavic cultures — dvorak, smetana, rachmaninoff, along with beethoven, debussy.
    painting, things like that.

    but even in elementary school i was always so facsinated with those books in the library about countries – their fairy tales and the pictures and drawings…and i always loved the ones about russia…like the fairytale of ''The Firebird" WHICH is a mystical tale that is all throughout the whole SLAVIC culture — something telling about the lesson of POWER and how it can be harmful if used wrongly…

    i just feel close to their ''world' in some way…that whole slavic world, so to say. and russia happens to be central to it. it has a mystery to it that i find so beautiful. and so ROOTED in the land and nature.

    and russians – now that i was there among them – REALLY are like that. they have this ''rootedness" to nature and the land and the surroundings..

    you could find it in their writings, their poetry, the way they describe the world ..just the basic worldview is so dictated by what they call ''mother russia" . its rivers, its forests, the tiny flower of the red berry — ''kalinka''..and there in st petersburg — i began to udnerstand for real what i only read about since childhood.

    they are a people – with such VAST multicultural and ethnic and religious ways — that are so CONNECTED with each other that is indescribable.

    you just have to be there to know what it means. it's a beautiful feeling really even just to watch it unfold ..

    do you know? they have this habit…

    where usually TEENAGERS – especially BOYS tend to become a little ''off" in ublic not to be seen walking with their parents?

    russian teens are not like that – the BOYS — i noticed so many – when walking in their outings , like shopping or something —

    they WAIT for their mom — and even walk around or back or catch up – and GRAB their mom's hand to hold her – as if to protect her…

    WOMEN are ALWAYS given right of way — men ALWAYS defer to the women..

    in a crowd – like in our music event i was at – when guys would sometimes be talking too loudly outside a concert hall and something was playing while we at the lobby forgot we were being too loud —

    ONE LOOK from a woman, even a teenager — and ALL the russian men shut up like little boys that just got reminded of misbehaving…

    i realized that russian men treasure their women like they are empresses and queens and will NOT tolerate anyone disrespecting a woman. they WILL beat you up for that. so many things really ..

    and boy – DO they hold conversations of such high intellectual significance…amazing really.

    and the food – my god — not only so cheap – its like stealing compared to our money of course..but SO abundant and so good. genuine healthy food…the stores (they don't have the big mega-stores — but maybe in moscow or somewhere else)

    more like the neighborhood grocery ? but overflowing with food, food, food. lol. where you can find MILK OF ALL SORTS and wine of all kinds in the next shelf next to pastries you wouldn't believe..and then meats of every kind – right down to kosher and halal…whatever you want..

    they are also VERY, very healthy and so athletic – you could spend all day just watching them walk past the hotel window right next to a big river – where i was – and look at lots of college students back and forth going to their institutes of technology or science, or agriculture or aerospace engineering..or philology (a VERY popular thing along with agriculture) – and you think:

    "my god these are very, very athletic people" – and i am talking not just about college age people more grownup people too are like that.

    children and youth are everywhere — families going on outings is so common..and will always remember how on the two weekends i covered there — especially young families with small or teenage kids coming out of the big buildings for their picnics – and the little ones Squealing in delight with their parents..with their hats and picnic boxes…so beautiful to see…and children adn youth everywhere in groups going to museums with their teachers…everywhere – it is like that. ….they make you WANT to become part of them, is what i can say.

    the other foreigners in the event i had – from germany, france, poland, czech, scotland, ireland, japan, china, usa, iran. california told me they always go back year after year ( it was my first time ) because they couldn't get enough of it.

    an iranian guy — an engineer – but like us – also a classical pianist (this was a music event gathering of classical pianists) –
    told me at the airport when we bumped at each other on the way back..

    "i was always very shy and afraid to play and share my love for music — but this single trip in russia i became a new person — they all made me feel so important ..it has changed my life, these two weeks – and from now on – wheni go back to iran i will not be shy anymore ..maybe next year we should meet here again with the friends we made…and tell others to come".

    but to summarize in a rough way — if it's only of course just one city, st petersburg —

    it's a very, very big – GRANDEOUS city with a very deep history — old huge buildings that of course are updated inside to fit the modern world functions — but it has a ''small town" feel to it…

    and despite the modern world – cars, trams, electric buses – which explain the very, very clean air ..it's quiet and not noisy…you feel a sense of calm and peace…

    and even in heavy rain or wind which can come quite fast…russians — very chicly dressed women or business suits or ordinary work or everyday clothes?

    they DO NOT RUN from rain. they stand right outside or sit and carry on with their conversation or walk as they do (which tends to be FAST walkers) – as if nothing was the matter.

    i even saw from my 3rd floor street front and riverfront window ferry boats loading wedding parties WHILE it was raining..the party goes on! who cares – the bride and groom go on drinking their wine and hugging the family and friends ..lol…they are a people who are not easy to frighten, let's put it that way. lol.

    the more updated fixtures in buildings – (i tend to be observant about these things) –

    for example:

    you walk in the hotel room (the hotel being in an EVEN larger huge building from old times – since most buildings in the main city are like that – and the spanking highrises are designated outside in other islands of the city) –
    and you wonder where the light switch is as you reach up at chest level like we normally do elsewhere?

    in russia now – they designed it so you merely walk in with your hands hanging down like normal and it's at that exct height that the button is – which is not a knob thtat can snag your dress – or bags – but just a slight protrusion from the wall – that your palm or back of the and can tap lightly …or a child can easily reach…

    even the toilet seats are measured so that a person doesn't have to ''drop" down hard to sit or struggle to straighten up to stand…and the depth of the toilet bowl is designed so you will NEVER (if guy) ''touch" any of the bowl surface or feel that iqqy splash back up – it is manufactured DEEP so the water swirls straight down and quietly…

    the chinese one from taiwan or hongkong insisted one night to treat me to a late fancy dinner at her hotel's restaurant — one of the very expensive hotels where big global business people come – chinese, japanese, etc..–
    and i went downstairs for the men's room to wash-up…

    and as i left the big wide stairs – and looke dright and left for a door saying 'men's room' — thiS gorgeous huge wooden wall swished open quietly – revealing an alcove entrance and deeper inside it washbasins with colognes and towels and baskets with flowered perfumes, electric sockets for shaving…blah, blah, blah – and then the toilets and stalls..

    as they ''upgrade" — they keep this very russian trait of making things

    :'"built around the human" rather than the human has to adjust to the machine…and as i made sure i would be very attentive to their ways…i realized they are VERY fast workers, so quick and efficient, it's unbelievable. which THEN leaves them plenty of time to be relaxed and nobody bothers them. saw it whether in offices, or city workers fixing electric cables fallen in the water from the winds or rain..or fixing a street – while NEVER making the street inaccessible for pedestrians – or waiters and waitresses or the men working on the ferries loading and unloading groups – and then swiftly cleaning after , re-arranging the chairs on deck again.r.eady for the next — fixing the ropes and then — lying on the deck to sunbathe or jump in the water …where ducks and birds and seagulls float and do their hunting or eating seaweed . lol…

  344. Mastoor says:

    teddytennisfanBEING THAT i was recently visited St Petersburg , russia.

    u know russians have a penchant for changing a foreigner's name to something russian?
    i mean they will just automatically (once you have become more acquainted and friendly) – address you with your name ''russianized" and in a ''nickname" form.

    like – MY formal name is Teodoro – so we say 'teddy' in english, right/

    to russians — they started calling me Todor…or TodorE...(and in russian i learned they spelled it in two or 3 different ways, in fact, even in the visa or the 'migrant entry' card upon arrival) –

    and the short form was the nickname which they used instead of 'teddy'.

    If they called you Todore they were not Russians but probably some Yugoslavs, Serbian speakers. Russian vocative is the same as nominative, while Serbian vocative of Todor is Todore (same as basic Latin vocative, with e added to the stem).

    Great we will address you Todore from now on or Tosho (vocative of Tosha, short of Todor).

    However even Todor is twisted Greek version of the name. The original, Slavic name is Bozhidar, meaning God's gift and nickname is Bozha.

  345. Mastoor says:

    MoxieDon't Russians change all names, and use 7 or 8 forms? That's my experience with trying to read those books. Where'd you get your fascination with Russia, Teddy, and how was St. Petersburg? (Maybe we could take this one to the travel forum.)

    There are 6 cases in Russian, 7 in Serbian. Latin ablative covered Serbian instrumental and locative, so they had 6 as well. For example, this is how you change Nadal in Serbian:

    Nominativ "Nadal"
    Genitiv "od Nadala" ( from Nadal)
    Dativ "Nadalu" (to Nadal)
    Akuzativ "Nadala" (who or what you see? Nadal)
    Vokativ "hej Nadal" (hey Nadal)
    Instrumental "sa Nadalom" (with Nadal)
    Lokativ "o Nadalu" (about Nadal)

    Above is singular, you have another set for plural.

  346. teddytennisfan says:
    Mastoor

    If they called you Todore they were not Russians but probably some Yugoslavs, Serbian speakers. Russian vocative is the same as nominative, while Serbian vocative of Todor is Todore (same as basic Latin vocative, with e added to the stem).

    Great we will address you Todore from now on or Tosho (vocative of Tosha, short of Todor).

    However even Todor is twisted Greek version of the name. The original, Slavic name is Bozhidar, meaning God's gift and nickname is Bozha.

    HAHA — SO NICE of you to educate me more, Mastoor ..same with Billie.

    i think the online friend i have in a news-site — he might be serbian or serbian speaking…he explained something about me as 'todorE".

    and definitely the russians in st peterstburg called me something of one of these ways. of course i can only really guess. but i was also curious – because before i flew there – was practiced how to read the alphabet a little bit – and to practice – i was copying the alphabet and writing my name that way –

    and in my visa – it is a ''long version" – as i match them character by character to my english spelled name…

    and then in st petersburg – my MIGRANT card (which is just a small piece of paper they give you at customs and you are supposed to surrender that when you leave — and you show it to your hotel or ''host" — in russia for foreigners – it is the hotel or place of accommodations — or people who you live with that will be your ''sponsor" that's it)

    a nd in the migrant card my name was ''spelled" in cyrillic differently – like 'shortened" – so maybe it became TODOR hehe..

    I remember in a museum where this musical gathering met for main schedules –

    there were two museums separated by a restaurant/cafe with outdoor inner courtyard inside the huge building – popular among tourists that are already familiar with the city –

    and the NABOKOV museum – vladimir nabokov who wrote the famous influential novel about the modern woman – LOLITA that was made into a famous movie – was one of his family's ancient homes…and in it were levels of course room after room with art works, books, workshops, carpentry classes for youth …and magnificent grand pianos everywhere that we were assigned to practice in when we wanted…

    and the receptionist in that nabokov museum – since she was now familiar with us –

    one time – while it was raining outside and i stood outside to smoke and see what i wanted to do the rest of the day — she came out and opened the door and called me something like that — todor or something and took my hand to come in (all in russian of course) – and not be in the rain and sit down and look at the museum's other rooms that she then showed me to while my time. like a mommy. lol.

    another day — i decided that instead of walking to the usual event place – probably 30 minutes slow walk but that's the point of knowing the city..after all….i'd take the bus for the first time and learn how to count the rubles and coins…and kopecks…

    so when i was standing at the bus stop — and showing my hand with map up – i could see the electric bus come down , crossing the riverbridge and already

    teh bus driver was smiling like they were amused – and opened the door at once – and spoke inr ussiand pointing to his back and a matronly woman with an apron and money belt came rushing to meet me — and showed me how to pay – which bill – and taught me counting …

    "adzim, dva, tri…et…forgot four…pesh"

    and gave me my little ticket. and THEN held my hand to follow her to the middle of the bus and motioned and talked to sit next to her!! while motioning

    "one – two, three street crossings (big , big blocks in the city, really) "
    and where to go down which direction and so on..and the other passengers when i look at them – smiling and nodding as if to assure me i was going to be OK…as the lady kept talking to them excitedly. hehe…

    and some days later — i rode the bus again – and SHE was there again, same bus — and when i walked up io learned already how to pay …and she hugged me and turned me around to face everyone like introducing me…hehe…and same thing – the passengers would wave goodbye as i got off the bus..maybe because she already told them the ''story". it was really nice.

  347. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Don't Russians change all names, and use 7 or 8 forms? That's my experience with trying to read those books. Where'd you get your fascination with Russia, Teddy, and how was St. Petersburg? (Maybe we could take this one to the travel forum.)

    oh my god — MOXIE — so glad you mentioned that. i think you are right to take it to travel forum — but i don't know how to do that!!

    as usual — i'm out of control, lol!!

    but whatever works with anyone, only i don't know how to di these things myself. and i'm lazy that way, hehe.

  348. Mastoor says:

    teddytennisfanHAHA — SO NICE of you to educate me more, Mastoor ..same with Billie.

    i think the online friend i have in a news-site — he might be serbian or serbian speaking…he explained something about me as 'todorE".

    and definitely the russians in st peterstburg called me something of one of these ways. of course i can only really guess. but i was also curious – because before i flew there – was practiced how to read the alphabet a little bit – and to practice – i was copying the alphabet and writing my name that way –
    .

    In official Russian vocative is definitely the same as nominative, but when you talk to Russians, what they say is often typically Serbian rather than Russian. No wonder if you know their ancestors were immigrants from Balkans ..

  349. teddytennisfan says:
    Mastoor

    There are 6 cases in Russian, 7 in Serbian. Latin ablative covered Serbian instrumental and locative, so they had 6 as well. For example, this is how you change Nadal in Serbian:

    Nominativ "Nadal"
    Genitiv "od Nadala" ( from Nadal)
    Dativ "Nadalu" (to Nadal)
    Akuzativ "Nadala" (who or what you see? Nadal)
    Vokativ "hej Nadal" (hey Nadal)
    Instrumental "sa Nadalom" (with Nadal)
    Lokativ "o Nadalu" (about Nadal)

    Above is singular, you have another set for plural.

    that's so amazing — all i know is that russian and slavic languages are very complex with many layers of meaning…i had a russian piano professor long ago – and he insisted i must begin learning russian and he started me on it – but then he had to leave the place he taught in – he was a true ''ussr" person that just couldn't adjust to the ''western'' style of survival and actually began to lose his mind and , so tragically lost his job, and all that.

    but of all of my music education teachers (and i've been around among world-class famous names, really — but no need to talk about that here) – he truly was the most genuinely artistic of them all…we just never knew what happened to him…but he wanted me to prepare to go to russia when he would then write his old colleagues there – but that was long ago)

    it's just that thing about the peoples of that ''world" – imo only …it's like the way we SAW NOLE – such PAIN he felt when he lost to DELPO? it's not about just HIM – or his career – but SOMETHING else – as if he knew HIS fellow serbs and slavs were feeling that pain with him…russians seemed to me to be like that too…what i like to call that ''unspoken connection" ….

  350. teddytennisfan says:

    MastoorIn official Russian vocative is definitely the same as nominative, but when you talk to Russians, what they say is often typically Serbian rather than Russian. No wonder if you know their ancestors were immigrants from Balkans ..

    oh yes — about their origins. that i always knew — the ''kievan russ" or something – which is why they established ''russia" in kiev as the original capital..and only later — to avoid all the conflicts in the european region – decided to 'go east' .

    it's amazing not just the russian but the ENTIRE BALKAN and SLAVIC world story is – to me anyway. i always really loved it since i was a kid…although i never really of course understood when my mom long ago would sometimes teach us at home or get our attention to the peoples and culture there ..showing how much she admired their dances, their songs, cultures, etc…and say

    "teddy, tony, binky, rose – come look at this — this is a picture of the people in this region – itis called balkans – see their costumes? they have these famous people like Tesla..and in russia there is this ballerina named maya plisetskaya…and this is the picture of the composer borodin — and leo tolstoy wrote this big book – war and peace, do you know who he was?"

    that's how i grew
    up with these things basically.

  351. Mastoor says:

    teddytennisfanthat's so amazing — all i know is that russian and slavic languages are very complex with many layers of meaning…i had a russian piano professor long ago – and he insisted i must begin learning russian and he started me on it – but then he had to leave the place he taught in – he was a true ''ussr" person that just couldn't adjust to the ''western'' style of survival and actually began to lose his mind and , so tragically lost his job, and all that.

    but of all of my music education teachers (and i've been around among world-class famous names, really — but no need to talk about that here) – he truly was the most genuinely artistic of them all…we just never knew what happened to him…but he wanted me to prepare to go to russia when he would then write his old colleagues there – but that was long ago)

    it's just that thing about the peoples of that ''world" – imo only …it's like the way we SAW NOLE – such PAIN he felt when he lost to DELPO? it's not about just HIM – or his career – but SOMETHING else – as if he knew HIS fellow serbs and slavs were feeling that pain with him…russians seemed to me to be like that too…what i like to call that ''unspoken connection" ….

    I don't know for the others , but I didn't feel any pain, despite my friend @brokenshoelace explaining to me that Olympic gold is above everything else and with 2 golds Murray is already a GOAT.;) I only hoped he'll be able to play soon and defend his #1.

  352. Mastoor says:

    teddytennisfanoh yes — about their origins. that i always knew — the ''kievan russ" or something – which is why they established ''russia" in kiev as the original capital..and only later — to avoid all the conflicts in the european region – decided to 'go east' .

    it's amazing not just the russian but the ENTIRE BALKAN and SLAVIC world story is – to me anyway. i always really loved it since i was a kid…although i never really of course understood when my mom long ago would sometimes teach us at home or get our attention to the peoples and culture there ..showing how much she admired their dances, their songs, cultures, etc…and say

    "teddy, tony, binky, rose – come look at this — this is a picture of the people in this region – itis called balkans – see their costumes? they have these famous people like Tesla..and in russia there is this ballerina named maya plisetskaya…and this is the picture of the composer borodin — and leo tolstoy wrote this big book – war and peace, do you know who he was?"

    that's how i grew
    up with these things basically.

    That's nice. I think their history says it was some 5,300 years ago (Lomonosov in his history of Russian people). i think that coincides with Alexander the Great's God exiting Balkans to teach the people from Balkans to India, about agriculture, viticulture, metallurgy and God knows what else. So my theory is that ancestors ofall those Russian, Poles, Czechs and whatever other Slavs are outside Balkans followed that leader.

  353. teddytennisfan says:
    Mastoor

    There are 6 cases in Russian, 7 in Serbian. Latin ablative covered Serbian instrumental and locative, so they had 6 as well. For example, this is how you change Nadal in Serbian:

    Nominativ "Nadal"
    Genitiv "od Nadala" ( from Nadal)
    Dativ "Nadalu" (to Nadal)
    Akuzativ "Nadala" (who or what you see? Nadal)
    Vokativ "hej Nadal" (hey Nadal)
    Instrumental "sa Nadalom" (with Nadal)
    Lokativ "o Nadalu" (about Nadal)

    Above is singular, you have another set for plural.

    that IS difficult – in german – which i studied basic so long ago —

    it is difficult enough to have only 4 cases,
    nominativ, dativ, akuzativ and genitiv…oh my goodness. no wonder russian or slavic is often mis-translated in meaning and intent by english media…like when putin described trump as ''colorful"

    and western media say ''PUTIN LIKES TRUMP – PUTIN THINKS TRUMP IS A GENIUS". TO smear putin and trump…lol.

    when in fact all putin was saying that 'colorful' to russians or slavics, merely means a person is acting rather ''theatrically'' and does NTO mean anywhere near ''friend, or genius, or intelligent" …just a POLITE way by putin of saying that

    someone is making a show of himself. lol.

  354. teddytennisfan says:
    Mastoor

    I don't know for the others , but I didn't feel any pain, despite my friend @broken_shoelace explaining to me that Olympic gold is above everything else and with 2 golds Murray is already a GOAT.;) I only hoped he'll be able to play soon and defend his #1.

    what i meant by ''pain'' of course is that nole makes his career – for himself of course — but always with that background that he is also doing it for his people — and that to him every success is another step to do something – as he said in his words many years ago:

    "|i want to show i also have some quality — and that my people and country are not the bad things written about in the west".

  355. teddytennisfan says:

    i think MOXIE is right — i better stop this ''travel'' talk – because it is too much and we have TENNIS to talk about in this folder, lol!!

  356. Mastoor says:

    We didn't even get to explain to Moxie how her first n

    teddytennisfanwhat i meant by ''pain'' of course is that nole makes his career – for himself of course — but always with that background that he is also doing it for his people — and that to him every success is another step to do something – as he said in his words many years ago:

    "|i want to show i also have some quality — and that my people and country are not the bad things written about in the west".

    As far as I am concerned he should stop feeling under obligation to represent me or Serbia or Serbian nation or anyone else, but to shut the f… up and focus on tennis for as long as he can play. That must be something that Srdjan seeded in his head that he is obliged to represent entire nation, imagine that. That must be huge and unnecessary pressure.

  357. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    THIS KID doing FINE. Britbox!! let's hope he keeps improving and making a mark for himself.

  358. britbox britbox says:

    teddytennisfanTHIS KID doing FINE. Britbox!! let's hope he keeps improving and making a mark for himself.

    I like watching the youngsters push through…. and we've got a big bunch on the fringes… they feed on each others success, so i'm expecting a lot of breakouts in the next 18 months.

  359. teddytennisfan says:

    britboxI like watching the youngsters push through…. and we've got a big bunch on the fringes… they feed on each others success, so i'm expecting a lot of breakouts in the next 18 months.

    exactly.

    for me — this is CORE of being a tennis fan, u know?
    IT'S ALL GOOD when we latch onto a favorite – and one reason is as good as any…

    but it's also exciting to keep an eye on the up and comers and see who's going to develop well and how they meet their challenges.
    btu what's good is when these youngsters SHOW that they WANT this thingie..go out there , have fun, do their best, and learn as much as they can and NOT be afraid of the big names. .go for it, kiddo!!

  360. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    I like watching the youngsters push through…. and we've got a big bunch on the fringes… they feed on each others success, so i'm expecting a lot of breakouts in the next 18 months.

    what you just said about the coming many months — it does look like this CROP of youngsters are not timid.. good for them.

  361. britbox britbox says:

    teddytennisfanwhat you just said about the coming many months — it does look like this CROP of youngsters are not timid.. good for them.

    The sport needs it too. There's going to be a huge vacuum when Nadal and Federer hang up their sticks. Djoker and Murray will still be around for a bit, but then we kind of hop over the intermediate generation and hope the young guns fill the void. It's got to be said that the 23-28 age group is pretty uninspiring and haven't stepped up to the plate. These kids need to take the bull by the horns.

  362. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    the mighty nish fends off young gun Karen krystalmaze.

    kk good serve and ground strokes..wager he'll be zooming up the rank charts pretty soon.

  363. brokenshoelace says:

    I really, really, really hate Nadal's odd wide positioning on the ad court. He serves so much better to the ad side since he can use his slider out wide and occasionally go up the T as a mix-up, but that position he now employs takes away all of that, and all he can do is body serve which makes him so predictable and gives him even fewer cheap points.

    He's moving well but I'm not feeling the rally forehand at all. The draw has opened up for him but I can't see him beating the big guns playing like this. When he won the US Open in 2010 and 2013, two things really stood out: His serve was clicking in both years, and the surface was eating up his cross court forehand. This doesn't seem to be the case this year.

  364. Carol says:

    Hermine (now it become a hurricane) is going to hit and crossing the north of Florida and then probably going to the Carolines and on Monday will be close the NY if it not changes the direction before. Crossing fingers that it will move more to the east and getting lost in the Atlantic :yesyes:

  365. britbox britbox says:

    Results from the U.S. Open Men's Singles Round 2 matches on Thursday

    6-Kei Nishikori (Japan) beat Karen Khachanov (Russia) 6-4 4-6 6-4 6-3
    2-Andy Murray (Britain) beat Marcel Granollers (Spain) 6-4 6-1 6-4
    Nicolas Mahut (France) beat Paul-Henri Mathieu (France) 6-4 6-4 6-2
    Pablo Carreno (Spain) beat Janko Tipsarevic (Serbia) 3-6 4-6 6-1 6-4 6-4
    8-Dominic Thiem (Austria) beat Ricardas Berankis (Lithuania) 6-4 6-3 6-2

  366. britbox britbox says:
    brokenshoelace

    I really, really, really hate Nadal's odd wide positioning on the ad court. He serves so much better to the ad side since he can use his slider out wide and occasionally go up the T as a mix-up, but that position he now employs takes away all of that, and all he can do is body serve which makes him so predictable and gives him even fewer cheap points.

    He's moving well but I'm not feeling the rally forehand at all. The draw has opened up for him but I can't see him beating the big guns playing like this. When he won the US Open in 2010 and 2013, two things really stood out: His serve was clicking in both years, and the surface was eating up his cross court forehand. This doesn't seem to be the case this year.

    I haven't seen him play yet at the USO, but despite a decent run at the Olympics, his rally forehand lacked zip and his shots weren't getting the depth and penetration in Rio.

  367. Moxie says:

    Nadal talked about the new roof and the noise level in his presser. He also said why he likes the New York crowds so much. You can just watch the first few minutes to get all of that. (Had to give the props to my people. :heart: )
    http://www.usopen.org/en_US/video/2016-09-01/3e2cf1c-00ab096314a.html

  368. Moxie says:

    Joao Sousa is playing Feliciano Lopez now, with Chardy and Dimitrov in that little section of the draw. Don't know if anyone else noticed, but a high "handsome" quotient in there. 😉

  369. Moxie says:

    JesuslookslikeBorgthe mighty nish fends off young gun Karen krystalmaze.

    kk good serve and ground strokes..wager he'll be zooming up the rank charts pretty soon.

    Brad Gilbert was talking up that young Russian a lot. Says he's "Safinesque." I'll keep an eye on him.

  370. teddytennisfan says:

    britboxThe sport needs it too. There's going to be a huge vacuum when Nadal and Federer hang up their sticks. Djoker and Murray will still be around for a bit, but then we kind of hop over the intermediate generation and hope the young guns fill the void. It's got to be said that the 23-28 age group is pretty uninspiring and haven't stepped up to the plate. These kids need to take the bull by the horns.

    quite true about the mid twenties — we're constantly looking for someone to break that 'big four' in a consistent way – at least by the time they're 25-26 – reasonable time to ''mature".

    i don't believe in this current saying that just because the federers nadals are playing ''so well in their late 20's to 30's" and because ''tennis now requires more time" — that the ones who ARE in their midtwenties should NOT HAVE ALREADY made a real dent –

    JUST LIKE roger and nadal DID!!

    it's like coming with an excuse .
    what roger is doing phenomenally in his 30's is not an excuse for those that are in their midtwenties to already have challenged seriously. but

    of them – the most ''talented" for many years is dimitrov — and has gotten nowhere NEAR what a mature mid20 athlete ought to have been doing. that's a lot of time already to 'grow up'

    and the days ''when sampras and chang won in their teens is past" ISN'T an excuse either .

    the tennis career may be EXTENDED to beyond 30 – and it MAY take more time ''nowadays against matured veterans in their late 20's like nadal, etc)

    but that doesn't address whether or not the MATURE 25-26 year old which would have been LATE in 1990 – is EVEN MAKING A REAL consistent impression against his peers merely in their late 20's.

    so – you're absolutely correct. i never even realized that until you pointed it out.

  371. teddytennisfan says:
    brokenshoelace

    I really, really, really hate Nadal's odd wide positioning on the ad court. He serves so much better to the ad side since he can use his slider out wide and occasionally go up the T as a mix-up, but that position he now employs takes away all of that, and all he can do is body serve which makes him so predictable and gives him even fewer cheap points.

    He's moving well but I'm not feeling the rally forehand at all. The draw has opened up for him but I can't see him beating the big guns playing like this. When he won the US Open in 2010 and 2013, two things really stood out: His serve was clicking in both years, and the surface was eating up his cross court forehand. This doesn't seem to be the case this year.

    is that the reason you asked yesterday what he served like from that side?

    (side note: I DO NOT KNOW what that means — after all these decades of watching tennis…WHICH is the ad side and what do you even CALL the other side? i NEVER learned what those are, so please educate me , anyone).

    but back to your comment — i always also thought something 'odd" about one of his serves..but i just didn't know how to identify it like al of you REAL TENNIS players.

    but you are SO right – his 2010 was perhaps his greatest single performance – purely as a tennis player – EVERYTHING was there. BIG, BIG, BIG. that was SO shocking and i too hae since always kept hoping to see it again. when he played that finals – my god – he

    really gave this image in the ''mind's eye" like he was one foot TALLER — HUGE MAN on court with the way his serving and shots just exploded …it really played on your mind..i wish he'd bring that again.

  372. teddytennisfan says:
    brokenshoelace

    I really, really, really hate Nadal's odd wide positioning on the ad court. He serves so much better to the ad side since he can use his slider out wide and occasionally go up the T as a mix-up, but that position he now employs takes away all of that, and all he can do is body serve which makes him so predictable and gives him even fewer cheap points.

    He's moving well but I'm not feeling the rally forehand at all. The draw has opened up for him but I can't see him beating the big guns playing like this. When he won the US Open in 2010 and 2013, two things really stood out: His serve was clicking in both years, and the surface was eating up his cross court forehand. This doesn't seem to be the case this year.

    i think that we are all keeping in mind that RAFA has had a VERY difficult almost 2 years now – and issues with the wrist recently – BIG chunk of months not playing – lost confidence that needs to be recovered more fully – even burn-out from years of the whole business…it's just a lot –

    but still – just from the point of just wanting to see from him the best that we'd seen him do and know he's got the game – you are right that it just needs a little bit more of the ''old weight' of his shotmaking.

    just a little bit more …and then add that nice serve he is SO capable of – and he could be really right back among the very top with his great rivals on a consistent basis for a while again.

    COME ON RAFA!!

    i do recall that in that same perid when he displayed that amazing serve of his – which started in that year's wimbledon – and THEN REALLY climaxed in that USO that stunned everybody —

    he took lessons from the teacher of FELICIANO LOPEZ/ uncle toni even mentioned it – that they did it sometime before wimbledon – and that must have been the result.

  373. Carol says:

    Rafa yesterday made very good shots, in many occasions deep and close to the lines and played more aggressive than in his pervious match and nothing to do with how he played in Rio and less that semifinal when he gave signs of to be too tired. His worse shot? the first serve

  374. Moxie says:

    Young Jared Donaldson is up a set and a break on Troicki, and Sousa beat Lopez in 4.

  375. teddytennisfan says:

    CarolRafa yesterday made very good shots, in many occasions deep and close to the lines and played more aggressive than in his pervious match and nothing to do with how he played in Rio and less that semifinal when he gave signs of to be too tired. His worse shot? the first serve

    i agree. on the whole it was a VERY HEALTHY performance — first and foremost.

    and true about the serve. just a good thing tha this second is very reliable .

    so let'/s hope that it is also a matter of him ''inching" his way into TOP form.

    there;s always that wrist thing still and maybe he is somewhat careful still. BUT i do like that he's seemingly very happy about his results and performance. tha'ts so important because no one can ever know what he feels as he actually hits shots.

  376. Moxie says:

    Cliff Drysdale thinks this could be the match of the tournament, so far, Johnson and Delpo. And I think the crowd could be fairly evenly divided between the American and the sentimental choice, Del Potro. Should be some heavy hitting, and it could go long. Note that they opened the roof again, so they're not as doctrinaire as Wimbledon about keeping it closed, once they've closed it. After the rain, it's fairly cool in NY now.

  377. Carol says:

    My goodness, the Mac brothers don't stop to talk, blah blah blah :wacko:

  378. Carol says:

    I don't hear tonight so much loud noise like yesterday, it was a little too much

  379. Moxie says:

    Donaldson, (19-20?) is serving for the match over Troicki, to beat him in straights. EDIT: And Donaldson does it! Coached by Taylor Dent, btw.

  380. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Nadal talked about the new roof and the noise level in his presser. He also said why he likes the New York crowds so much. You can just watch the first few minutes to get all of that. (Had to give the props to my people. :heart: )
    http://www.usopen.org/en_US/video/2016-09-01/3e2cf1c-00ab096314a.html

    MOXIE — the BANANA MAN from argentina shifted his color scheme…what was up is now down

    like banana peel that went black rotten, lol.

  381. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Young Jared Donaldson is up a set and a break on Troicki, and Sousa beat Lopez in 4.

    sousa is a fierce heart too. i also like him.

  382. Moxie says:

    I have to say, the nighttime kit is rather easier on the eyes.

  383. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    I have to say, the nighttime kit is rather easier on the eyes.

    haha. true , that. black with a little ''accent color" is ALWAYS amazing.

    to me — it IS the best color!!

  384. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieCliff Drysdale thinks this could be the match of the tournament, so far, Johnson and Delpo. And I think the crowd could be fairly evenly divided between the American and the sentimental choice, Del Potro. Should be some heavy hitting, and it could go long. Note that they opened the roof again, so they're not as doctrinaire as Wimbledon about keeping it closed, once they've closed it. After the rain, it's fairly cool in NY now.

    they just use their own judgment — whether to open or not again. and i think that's a GOOD way of approaching it, a bit more flexibility under proper assessment of the condition. if weatherman says — rains are going away — and for good – then go ahead and open them again — for goodness sake!

  385. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfanhaha. true , that. black with a little ''accent color" is ALWAYS amazing.

    to me — it IS the best color!!

    You and I both know, as do Rafa and Serena: it's New York. Wear black at night. Always elegant, and more than a little intimidating.

  386. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieYou and I both know, as do Rafa and Serena: it's New York. Wear black at night. Always elegant, and more than a little intimidating.

    !!
    yup!!!

    but really – black is beautiful.

  387. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfansousa is a fierce heart too. i also like him.

    I'm not completely convinced by his heart but he does have a chiseled jaw, so he gets my vote in the short-term. LOL.

  388. Carol says:

    I thought Rafa tomorrow would play at day time but I've just read he will play at 7 pm

  389. Moxie says:

    Johnson suddenly in trouble on his serve.

  390. teddytennisfan says:
    Carol

    I thought Rafa tomorrow would play at day time but I've just read he will play at 7 pm

    maybe they rescheduled — being that he is also a top drawer after all. for TV and people able to get home and watch.

  391. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieI'm not completely convinced by his heart but he does have a chiseled jaw, so he gets my vote in the short-term. LOL.

    ok — so chiseled jaws are included in the required 'skills"…hehe.

    and maybe we can petition the ITF and tennis — to change the rules>

    from now one \"THOSE with chiseled jaws may apply and register as authorized Chiseled jaws — and they get an extra challenge in each set — only authentic chiselled jaws please|".

    lol..

  392. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfanok — so chiseled jaws are included in the required 'skills"…hehe.

    No, I'm just occasionally superficial. If the guys can pick some favorites on the women's side based on aesthetic preferences, so can we. B-)

    Big save on serve by Stevie. I feel this set will go to a TB.

  393. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    tennis is going on. :-)2:dance2:

  394. Carol says:

    Delpo has a great serve but Johnson is serving well too

  395. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    No, I'm just occasionally superficial. If the guys can pick some favorites on the women's side based on aesthetic preferences, so can we. B-)

    Big save on serve by Stevie. I feel this set will go to a TB.

    we all have a right to be superficial.– it's FUN!! HEHE

  396. teddytennisfan says:

    JesuslookslikeBorgtennis is going on. :-)2:dance2:

    YES, YES, YES!! :lulz1::lulz2::yahoo::yes::D:drums:

  397. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    No, I'm just occasionally superficial. If the guys can pick some favorites on the women's side based on aesthetic preferences, so can we. B-)

    Big save on serve by Stevie. I feel this set will go to a TB.

    YOU WERE RIGHT!!! tie break!

    immediate minibreak for delpo.

  398. teddytennisfan says:

    to bad for stevie – twice he missed good chances for winners.

    he's such an amazing player too!

  399. Moxie says:

    JesuslookslikeBorgtennis is going on. :-)2:dance2:

    We may be backward in NY, but we have one roof, and we do have lights. (Anyone at RG listening?)

  400. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfanto bad for stevie – twice he missed good chances for winners.

    he's such an amazing player too!

    And yet the complexion of this TB has changed.

  401. teddytennisfan says:

    ok DELPO first set by 7-5

  402. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieWe may be backward in NY, but we have one roof, and we do have lights. (Anyone at RG listening?)

    haha.
    TRUE!!

  403. Carol says:

    Wow, Johnson didn't challenge and that ball was out

  404. Moxie says:

    Winning the first set is a huge advantage in this match. Let's see how Stevie recoups.

  405. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    And yet the complexion of this TB has changed.

    IT Looks like at least 3 points stevie had to finish off – but just got out of the line – he was really there for his chance. but it'/s just first set.

  406. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Winning the first set is a huge advantage in this match. Let's see how Stevie recoups.

    he has to keep fighting hard.

  407. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    strange tb..chokes by Johnson then by del potro. then jmdp sneaks it.

    nick k must be close to winning..time to check the other courts.:-)2

  408. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    7-5, 6-4, 6-4 nick k wins…tuned in just in time to see mp. eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep. thug life in three.

  409. Moxie says:

    JesuslookslikeBorgstrange tb..chokes by Johnson then by del potro. then jmdp sneaks it.

    nick k must be close to winning..time to check the other courts.:-)2

    And Nick does it in straights. Your boy Daniel Evans is up a set and a break on Alexander Zverev, the next big thing…who you got there?? And Ferrer just bageled Fognini in the first. Hard to think Fognini won't wake up at some point.

  410. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    fog loses 0-6 1st set to ferrer. lulz.

  411. Moxie says:

    What a shot to break! Who saw that coming by Stevie. I predict a long night.

  412. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    MoxieAnd Nick does it in straights. Your boy Daniel Evans is up a set and a break on Alexander Zverev, the next big thing…who you got there?? And Ferrer just bageled Fognini in the first. Hard to think Fognini won't wake up at some point.

    zed is a bit erratic today..i watched some of it earlier, evans is turning over another new leaf,,this time he is gonna turn up to training and not go out boozing so much..heard that one before. ho hum.

  413. Moxie says:
    JesuslookslikeBorg

    zed is a bit erratic today..i watched some of it earlier, evans is turning over another new leaf,,this time he is gonna turn up to training and not go out boozing so much..heard that one before. ho hum.

    They haven't shown any of Zed here, so I don't know. Dimitrov/Chardy looking like they'll go the full stretch. Looks like a lot of matches will go late tonight. Good thing the restaurants and clubs stay open in NYC, eh?

  414. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    suppose it is..they can eat some aubergines whilst watching del potro win.

  415. Moxie says:

    JesuslookslikeBorgsuppose it is..they can eat some aubergines whilst watching del potro win.

    I was thinking that the players could still go out after they finish their matches. Especially they losers.

  416. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    del goatro fends off bp;s with a tidal wave of amazing goings on.:dance2::drums:

  417. Moxie says:

    Dimitrov survives Chardy. Lovely kisses at the net.

  418. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    sir grigor won in 5 vs chardy. the revival continues..or the slump has ended. no more mental fug for the dimitrov train.

  419. Moxie says:

    Lorenzi up a break on Simon in the 5th…who knows? The Fog woke up and they are at a set a piece with Ferrer.

  420. Moxie says:

    JesuslookslikeBorgsir grigor won in 5 vs chardy. the revival continues..or the slump has ended. no more mental fug for the dimitrov train.

    Maaybeee…if Dimitrov was half the talent he's meant to be, it wouldn't have gone 5, and I like Chardy. But at least he won. I'm reserving enthusiasm for Master Grigor and his short pants.

  421. Moxie says:

    Johnson looks disheveled and Del Potro is in complete control. The fans are streaming to the exits.

  422. Twisted says:

    Del Po was very impressive tonight. I know Ferrer is finally past his prime but I'm sure DP would prefer the bipolar Fog and so would I.

    Hoping DP can make a deep run here and ideally if he would have a decent shot vs. Murray he'd have to get through the QF stage without too much trouble. With Ferrer, Thiem, and possibly Stanimal that may be a lot to ask.

  423. Moxie says:

    Espn has boringly chosen to go to Donald Young v. Karlovic, even though it's at the beginning of the 3rd, and other matches are at critical junctures. BOO hiss. So Zverev just broke to win the 3rd over Evans and avoid going out, and the Fog broke Ferrer to go up in the 3rd, where they've split a set a piece. I have to think Fabio will prevail. Oh, and Lorenzi is serving for the match over Simon.

  424. Twisted says:

    I think Fog will find a way to lose. Ferrer is just the type that will make him go extra crazy over the course of a long match. Given that and the fact Fog went a long 5 sets the other day I figured this would be easy for Daveeeed.

  425. Moxie says:

    TwistedDel Po was very impressive tonight. I know Ferrer is finally past his prime but I'm sure DP would prefer the bipolar Fog and so would I.

    Hoping DP can make a deep run here and ideally if he would have a decent shot vs. Murray he'd have to get through the QF stage without too much trouble. With Ferrer, Thiem, and possibly Stanimal that may be a lot to ask.

    When they just told him on court he'd face either Ferrer or Fognini, he groaned and rolled his eyes. Neither is an easy prospect, and I'm not sure which he should wish for. If his wrist is feeling good, he will keep going. I think he could beat all 3 of those potential opponents.

  426. Moxie says:

    TwistedI think Fog will find a way to lose. Ferrer is just the type that will make him go extra crazy over the course of a long match. Given that and the fact Fog went a long 5 sets the other day I figured this would be easy for Daveeeed.

    All good points. I'm beginning to buy that Ferrer has reached his sell-by date, but you may be right. PS: Lorenzi had match points, but Simon got back on serve for 5-5. Now I think Simon wins.

  427. Moxie says:

    TB Simon/Lorenzi, and this will be the longest match of the tournament so far.

  428. Moxie says:

    Lorenzi beats Simon to make his first 3rd round of a Major at 34 yrs old, or whatever. As soon as it was over, he started cramping. I think they hit the 5 hour mark. Murray will be laughing, as I think that's his next round opponent. Forza, Paolo, anyway!

  429. Moxie says:

    And the Daniel Evans train keeps 'a rollin'. Sasha Zverev is out.

  430. Twisted says:

    I hate to sound critical of the young guns but there was a lot of hype earlier in the year, especially Thiem and Zverev and they have fizzled out quite a bit as the season has dragged on (granted Thiem is still alive in this tourney). I think a lot of fans and even commentators want some new blood so badly that they prop these guys up. I do think Zverev especially has great potential but we've been saying the same about a lot of guys the past 5-6 years.

  431. Moxie says:

    Ferrer beats Fabio 6-4 in the 5th, with a full crowd on die-hards hanging in. BTW, Fognini could stand to lose 15lbs.

  432. Twisted says:

    Fog don't give a shit, he has Flavia to go home to :dance2:

    Entertaining and talented player but in the end you know what you're getting with him.

  433. Moxie says:

    TwistedI hate to sound critical of the young guns but there was a lot of hype earlier in the year, especially Thiem and Zverev and they have fizzled out quite a bit as the season has dragged on (granted Thiem is still alive in this tourney). I think a lot of fans and even commentators want some new blood so badly that they prop these guys up. I do think Zverev especially has great potential but we've been saying the same about a lot of guys the past 5-6 years.

    I do think it might be a bit harsh. Zverev is only 19 and about a year into his breakthrough. Thiem is older, but he's played (and won) a lot of tennis this year. (He's #5 in the YE points race.) And, as you mention, he's still in the tournament. We've been looking for break-through players for 5-6 years, but not the same ones. You're talking about the miscreants that we call the Lost Generation. There is a new crop with some real potential, in varying degrees, but they may take some time to season up to Major winning level. You've got to give them a little time. Hell, Dimitrov has been "the player to be named later" for something like 8 years now, and we're still wondering if he can win a Major. Tomic still gets talked about, ffs. Kyrgios is the real deal, if he can manage his head. And he's still in the tournament, too. I'd give it some time before I got discouraged about them. Superstar teenagers only come up once in a couple of generations, anyway.

  434. Moxie says:

    TwistedFog don't give a shit, he has Flavia to go home to :dance2:

    Entertaining and talented player but in the end you know what you're getting with him.

    Actually, you never know which Fabio you're going to get, and that's what's so fun about him. :dance1:

  435. britbox britbox says:

    Great win for Dan Evans taking out Sascha Zverev.

  436. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Great win for Dan Evans taking out Sascha Zverev.

    i had to be outside during that — but was GLUED to my cell-phone scores every half minute! with that match – and trying to imagine how it was.

    but even with the score in the 4th set — i was thinking:

    "This evans kid must be something STEELY in fighting" …wishing i was watching that. ! i better try to catch his next match on tv!

  437. isabelle says:

    happy to see Delpo cruising, vamos Juan

  438. teddytennisfan says:

    isabellehappy to see Delpo cruising, vamos Juan

    one thing of the match against stevie johnson was that JM did NOT have to go all out in his playing actually —

    just concentrated on playing CONSISTENTLY AND SOLIDLY and it was enough to win even against a very good effort by Johnson who is no slouch – as proven this season by stevie against other players.

    and it MIGHT prove beneficial for JM –

    SAVING energy – but also a good ''practice" in an aspect of the game that IS necessary — consistency and solid, EVEN control. to keep the technique in good order..and knowing that as far as power and accuracy with power is concerned JM has a lot of that to come if necessary.

    so – to me — this was a good round.

  439. Twisted says:

    Maybe Ferrer will be tired from the long 5-setter last night. Regardless if DP plays like he has been lately he should get by Ferrer in 4 or less.

  440. Twisted says:
    Moxie

    Actually, you never know which Fabio you're going to get, and that's what's so fun about him. :dance1:

    Yes, he is predictably unpredictable. The one thing that is a certainty though is that he can usually only focus at most for a few games at a time.

  441. Obsi says:

    What are the chances of Del Potro beating Murray should they meet in the semis?

  442. Twisted says:

    Maybe 25% if that. I actually didn't see DP vs. Djoker in the Olympics but I caught most of his other matches and I liked what I saw last night more. Greater consistency and his serve was excellent. DP naturally has a way tougher draw than Murray and Andy is clearly playing the best tennis the past few months.

  443. Tennisproguru.com says:

    ObsiWhat are the chances of Del Potro beating Murray should they meet in the semis?

    I would say 50/50 .. del Potro have shorter season than Murray, he played just 27 matches this year against 57 played by Andy. Both of them have great form in last weeks, so the rest level can play a role …

    I am little divided about who to support in such semifinal match. I wish Murray to finish this season with another Grand Slam to put himself in clear contender position to Djokovic as next number one. But I also wish the win to delPotro, would be a great story, win US Open, then long lasting injury and then return on court and win US Open again

    o.k. now back to reality, we are just in 3rd round, there is long road for both of them to be in semifinal 🙂

  444. brokenshoelace says:

    teddytennisfanis that the reason you asked yesterday what he served like from that side?

    (side note: I DO NOT KNOW what that means — after all these decades of watching tennis…WHICH is the ad side and what do you even CALL the other side? i NEVER learned what those are, so please educate me , anyone).

    Yup, I noticed he changed his positioning when serving from the ad side at the Olympics. Unfortunately he's still doing it.

    As far as which side is the ad side and which one is the deuce side: Let's say the server is serving from "down" your screen. The ad side of the court is when he's serving from the left. The deuce side is when he's serving from the right. The first point of the game is always served from the deuce side, which means that every point at deuce will occur from that same side.

  445. britbox britbox says:

    Tennisproguru.comI would say 50/50 .. del Potro have shorter season than Murray, he played just 27 matches this year against 57 played by Andy. Both of them have great form in last weeks, so the rest level can play a role …

    I am little divided about who to support in such semifinal match. I wish Murray to finish this season with another Grand Slam to put himself in clear contender position to Djokovic as next number one. But I also wish the win to delPotro, would be a great story, win US Open, then long lasting injury and then return on court and win US Open again

    o.k. now back to reality, we are just in 3rd round, there is long road for both of them to be in semifinal 🙂

    That high TPG? I'd give Delpo about a 25% shot… but a reasonable shout nevertheless.

    Agree on the Del Potro story – I think most fans in the sport wouldn't begrudge Delpo taking the tournament…

  446. teddytennisfan says:

    brokenshoelaceYup, I noticed he changed his positioning when serving from the ad side at the Olympics. Unfortunately he's still doing it.

    As far as which side is the ad side and which one is the deuce side: Let's say the server is serving from "down" your screen. The ad side of the court is when he's serving from the left. The deuce side is when he's serving from the right. The first point of the game is always served from the deuce side, which means that every point at deuce will occur from that same side.

    THANK YOU SO MUCH, Brokenshoelace…

    so ''down screen" the player is with his back to us looking at the TV…
    deuce side is to our and his right…
    ad side is to our and his left….

    THANK YOU!! you gave me all that to understand all the years i was watching…

  447. britbox britbox says:

    3 Brits in Round 3 for the first time since 1968.

  448. teddytennisfan says:

    britboxThat high TPG? I'd give Delpo about a 25% shot… but a reasonable shout nevertheless.

    Agree on the Del Potro story – I think most fans in the sport wouldn't begrudge Delpo taking the tournament…

    that's a really elegant way of putting it…fans "in the sport" wouldn't begrudge it ..

    it's easy to imagine delpo going through the years repeatedly frustrated and just watching on tv – thinking that he might have had a shot …

    this is the same with any player that has not won — small or big titles — and one can only be happy they got something of their own too.

  449. britbox britbox says:

    Order of Play – Friday on the Showcourts

    Arthur Ashe Stadium

    Monica Niculescu (Rom) v Caroline Wozniacki (Den),
    (8) Madison Keys (USA) v Naomi Osaka (Jpn),
    (1) Novak Djokovic (Ser) v Mikhail Youzhny (Rus),

    (4) Rafael Nadal (Spa) v Andrey Kuznetsov (Rus),
    Catherine Cartan Bellis (USA) v (2) Angelique Kerber (Ger)

    Louis Armstrong Stadium

    (7) Roberta Vinci (Ita) v Carina Witthoeft (Ger),
    (26) Jack Sock (USA) v (7) Marin Cilic (Cro),
    (14) Petra Kvitova (Cze) v (22) Elina Svitolina (Ukr),
    (20) John Isner (USA) v Kyle Edmund (Gbr)

    Grandstand

    (9) Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (Fra) v (23) Kevin Anderson (Rsa),
    (13) Johanna Konta (Gbr) v (24) Belinda Bencic (Swi),
    (10) Gael Monfils (Fra) v Nicolas Almagro (Spa),
    Jonathan Erlich (Isr) & Santiago Gonzalez (Mex) v (3) Bob Bryan (USA) & Mike Bryan (USA)

  450. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    3 Brits in Round 3 for the first time since 1968.

    wouldn't that be so nice if behind and following ANDY'S amazing ascendance and realizing all the long waiting — the others would find their own talents come together with inspiration and their own big success?

  451. teddytennisfan says:

    i want this KYLE EDMUND to take down Isner

    i just really don't like isner at all. i find him annoying.

    stevie johnson, jock sock, donald young i like and i often root for them…– but not isner. ugh..what ugly tennis, as far as i'm concerned. and its NOT about his height even – i can appreciate KARLOVIC anytime…

    i RARELY really ''dislike" a player for no good reason — and there are two

    for no good reason or good reason — i just really have a visceral dislike of them – their style, their demeanor –

    unreasonable , i know — but i dislike them — so i mus tVENT…

    JOHN ISNER AND AGNIEWSKA RADWANSKA…

  452. britbox britbox says:

    teddytennisfani want this KYLE EDMUND to take down Isner

    i just really don't like isner at all. i find him annoying.

    stevie johnson, jock sock, donald young i like and i often root for them…– but not isner. ugh..what ugly tennis, as far as i'm concerned. and its NOT about his height even – i can appreciate KARLOVIC anytime…

    i RARELY really ''dislike" a player for no good reason — and there are two

    for no good reason or good reason — i just really have a visceral dislike of them – their style, their demeanor –

    unreasonable , i know — but i dislike them — so i mus tVENT…

    JOHN ISNER AND AGNIEWSKA RADWANSKA…

    Isner's sloth-like turnaround between points just gets on my wick. He looks perpetually exhausted… Just difficult to watch.

    What's with the Aga phobia?

  453. teddytennisfan says:

    britboxIsner's sloth-like turnaround between points just gets on my wick. He looks perpetually exhausted… Just difficult to watch.

    What's with the Aga phobia?

    of course no one can be someone else. he's who he is.

    but that doesn't mean we have to like him. lol. same as others don't have to like us the way we are. hehe.

    but i just grate when i see him on court. delpo is 6'6…that's 'only' 4 inches 'shorter" and they belong among the giants in the sport

    whether anyone likes that or not or feels it's ''unfair" (as TOMMY HAAS once joked about karlovic) –

    to ferrer a 6 footer is ''so tall" – so it goes across the spectrum that there are just people with characteristics that make some things easier – like serving..

    BUT HAVING all that said:

    what is it with isner i dont like? if its unfair height — i should dislike janowic at 6'8. or delpotro against nadal.

    but i don't ..so — it can't be height i dislike.
    is it the big serve? I LOVE big serves — MY queen serena has the greatest pair of serves – man or woman . i loved pete sampras for his amazing serves BACKED UP with a GREAT game parlayed against AMAZING varieties of styles and great differences of courts in his time.

    so — it can't be his serves..per se…

    so – why don't i like him with a Passion LIKE never towards any others in the ATP ALL the years i've followed tennis?

    SIMPLE — HE IS BORING!!!

    nothing in the way he puts his game together is INTERESTING to me.

    BORING, BORING, BORING!

    and i realize just now TWO things i really dislike in players

    THE BORING ONES and the OVER HYPED ones.

    SO – that explains me about isner and radwa…

    as for HER — i already was NEVER taken by what people constantly say about her ''variety and intelligence" — SEEN HINGIS — and SHE'S better. lol. but more than that — i never liked her ''vibe" on court…as if she's disdainful of her opponent…

    and it just cemented it for me when she LOST in wimbledon finals and made a very dismissive ''handshake" with serena…

    and LATER when serena was OUT early and radwa had HER chance at the finals AGAIN BUT STILL LOST, or was it semis? i dont' care — was even WORSE in her POOR LOSER kind of handshake…wasn't that to KERBER who took out serena from PRECIOUS aga's way to her ''appointed crown?"

    before kerber lost to – was it PETRA again in her second wimby? either way – i was happy radwa lost. lol. and i don't normally get THAT way either, EVEN towards players that take down MY serena.

    THAT SHOULD stand up there in notoriety as HENIN'S famous ''what me? raise my hand??" at the FO over serena…

    she just annoys the hell out of me..both her pushing style that everyone likes to translate as ''creative" (not — it s just pushing that happens to be 'rythmless'' to CURRENT styles and has more to do with ''rarity" rather than REAL brilliance) and that is topped off with the cold, cold aura she exudes …

    so , i am NOT sorry to say — i don't like her.

    and THAT'S very rare for me to say about players UNEQUIVOCALLY …

    lol..

  454. Tennisproguru.com says:

    britboxThat high TPG? I'd give Delpo about a 25% shot… but a reasonable shout nevertheless.

    Agree on the Del Potro story – I think most fans in the sport wouldn't begrudge Delpo taking the tournament…

    I think Andy has to be tired like a hell. Wimbledon – Olympics – US Open that's pretty brutal combination

  455. Twisted says:

    Cilic down 2 sets to Sock. I did not see that one coming

  456. teddytennisfan says:
    Tennisproguru.com

    I think Andy has to be tired like a hell. Wimbledon – Olympics – US Open that's pretty brutal combination

    i just heard commentators on the matches on tv — say that ANDY is now the ''top bet" by bookers for the title.

  457. teddytennisfan says:

    TwistedCilic down 2 sets to Sock. I did not see that one coming

    JACK SOCK did good again. he is really coming along so nicely.

    really like this player. he keeps his nose down at his work and tries to keep improving and does but doesn't let it make his head get big.

    if he got HALF the HYPE such as for Dimitrov — it would be about just right fit for Jack.

    commentators say that his real weakness is his backhand — is this correct?

  458. Moxie says:

    And Youzhny retires after 6 games v. Novak. Now this is probably less positive for Nole. Monfils playing great, and still managing a few hot dog shots. And he broke the scoreboard.

  459. brokenshoelace says:

    With all the retirements and Cilic out, Novak's draw opened up nicely, which I'm sure he'll welcome with open arms given the state of his wrist.

  460. Moxie says:

    teddytennisfani just heard commentators on the matches on tv — say that ANDY is now the ''top bet" by bookers for the title.

    I think Djokovic is back up to co-favorite, after today. Not sure. But Rafa has moved up to the 3rd favorite. 🙂

  461. Moxie says:

    brokenshoelaceWith all the retirements and Cilic out, Novak's draw opened up nicely, which I'm sure he'll welcome with open arms given the state of his wrist.

    He's a bit of a lucky so-and-so at the moment. Got a tough draw, with the bum wrist, and then he gets 6 days to rest it, with no matches to wear it down, and him mentally. It probably will work more in his favor than not getting the matches in.

  462. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    He's a bit of a lucky so-and-so at the moment. Got a tough draw, with the bum wrist, and then he gets 6 days to rest it, with no matches to wear it down, and him mentally. It probably will work more in his favor than not getting the matches in.

    i agree with this — if the wrist is still sore — even if it's ''only'' that – REST is the most important thing.

  463. teddytennisfan says:

    MAKE ME HAPPY EDMUND..make me REALLY happy…

  464. Moxie says:

    Poor challenge from Isner leaves him hanging by his fingernails.

  465. Moxie says:

    Edmund got Isner! Biggest win of his career. Great job. The bad news is: now he has to play Djokovic.

  466. teddytennisfan says:

    i am now officially in love with KYLE EDMUND OF UK!!

    and just added a new player to my favorites to follow. and i NEVER stop once i choose .

    and have a preeeeettttyyy good batting average….
    uh — steffi graf, pete sampras, rafa nadal, nole djokovic, serena williams….

    usually took me one or a couple of matches to make decisions like that…lol.

  467. teddytennisfan says:

    :yahoo::D:yes::):-)2:lulz1::lulz2::whistle:B-):drums::cheerleader::pompoms::yesyes:

  468. teddytennisfan says:

    oooooo GREAT RAFA looking GOOD!!

  469. Carol says:

    It reminds me to Wawrinka AO 2014, one of the players withdrawn and another one retired , then at the finals his opponent had a back injury.
    Could it happen again in this USO? hope not

  470. teddytennisfan says:
    Carol

    It reminds me to Wawrinka USO 2014, one of the players withdrawn and another one retired , then at the finals his opponent had a back injury.
    Could it happen again in this USO? hope not

    let's hope NOT. it's not nice to see any of them injured.

    but for now — hoping that the other UK kid does the job i want him to do ….go forward..to monday. and join kyle and andy.

  471. teddytennisfan says:

    to Brokenshoelace and everyone– clearly RAFA'S forehand is not all there yet –but what do you and others think of it so far, THIS match?

  472. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Edmund got Isner! Biggest win of his career. Great job. The bad news is: now he has to play Djokovic.

    that's ok for him even if he is probably not ready to take down the Great Nole. or any of the historic ones and much more accomplished ones than Isner.

    the important thing is — under big lights pressure against the ''insurmountable tower" for so many players – he showed he can do a win in this manner — one that is a necessary ingredient to become someday a big time player of his own.

    we all are familiar with this in life in anything..some people have an ''it'' factor. and this was his little window and he opened it wide. to show he has quality to be one of the best of his generation when they take their turn.

  473. Carol says:

    teddytennisfanto Brokenshoelace and everyone– clearly RAFA'S forehand is not all there yet –but what do you and others think of it so far, THIS match?

    The first set Rafa played insane. his forehand, backhand and serve worked incredible well but in the second set like in his previous match he took out the foot from the accelerator and he made more errors but he will be back

  474. teddytennisfan says:

    i'm liking what i see from nadal – especially a certain growing renewed energy in his playing. but also becoming more concentrated as he used to

  475. teddytennisfan says:
    Carol

    The first set Rafa played insane. his forehand, backhand and serve worked incredible well but in the second set like in his previous match he took off the foot from the accelerate and he made more error but he will be back

    see — that's my problem — i MISSED the first set!! i had to go out do something…so i had no good idea ''from what level" – when i got back to catch up from the second set second half..but i was still happy with his fighting and then winning that .

  476. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    3 Brits in Round 3 for the first time since 1968.

    i'm actually trying to imagine some years from now when they are ready — the 2 kids could make a real chance for themselves to get HOME TURF just like andy has — wouldn't THAT be nice?

  477. teddytennisfan says:

    it's also GREAT for KUZNETSOV to at least get this far — but of course is a DIFFERENT plane. hehe.

  478. Carol says:

    teddytennisfanit's also GREAT for KUZNETSOV to at least get this far — but of course is a DIFFERENT plane. hehe.

    The Russian is taking all the risk that he can just in case it would work, and sometimes it has worked well but…….

  479. teddytennisfan says:

    oooo that last to match point ANGLE was NASTY from rafa! nice.

  480. teddytennisfan says:
    Carol

    The Russian is taking all the risk that he can just in case it would work, and sometimes it has worked well but…….

    it's the only chance he could to gain some games. rafa is just finding his range better and better ..

    kuznetsov is pretty solid also — but just not against the best of the best.

    but WOW — what a SCRAMBLE BY KUZNETSOV — he DESERVES that applause — even if he lost the point. NICE from him…

    haha –r afa is so excited!!

  481. teddytennisfan says:

    uhmmmmmhhhmmm!!! RAFA CLOSES IT without further ado!! great going.

    it looks like we're on the path to having the best players keep working up to their top levels.

  482. Moxie says:

    Kuznetzov made an effort for one set, but Rafa totally out-classed him. Good hitting off of both wings. Some great serving, some not. Hasn't dropped a set yet.

  483. teddytennisfan says:

    i ADMIRE the way rafa always has something GOOD to say , i mean with SUBSTANCE , about his opponents. that's one reason i liked him from the beginning.

    i remember VERY clearly still the VERY first time i saw him when he was winning some little tournament just before he went pro – on some news clip on tv…

    he was interviewed to be ''a phenom" after he won a match — and the first thing out of his mouth to the PRAISES about him:

    "you should see my friends too – they are so good".

    it was THAT very moment – and with his playing (going to NET so often!!)
    that i consciously said to myself:

    "i will be fan of this VERY talented yet modest young player".

  484. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieKuznetzov made an effort for one set, but Rafa totally out-classed him. Good hitting off of both wings. Some great serving, some not. Hasn't dropped a set yet.

    so true. kuznetsov can keep building on an already pretty solid young career as mcenroe pointed out — and one of the best ways is to learn from meeting a Living Legend on fire.

  485. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieKuznetzov made an effort for one set, but Rafa totally out-classed him. Good hitting off of both wings. Some great serving, some not. Hasn't dropped a set yet.

    this is what is so GREAT about tennis…we can literally see with their performances season by season how careers are born, grow, rise, and decline – and how generations challenge for their turn…

  486. Tennis Fan says:

    MoxieAnd the Daniel Evans train keeps 'a rollin'. Sasha Zverev is out.

    I'm not that familiar with Daniel Evans. I was shocked!

  487. Tennis Fan says:

    brokenshoelaceYup, I noticed he changed his positioning when serving from the ad side at the Olympics. Unfortunately he's still doing it.

    As far as which side is the ad side and which one is the deuce side: Let's say the server is serving from "down" your screen. The ad side of the court is when he's serving from the left. The deuce side is when he's serving from the right. The first point of the game is always served from the deuce side, which means that every point at deuce will occur from that same side.

    I always wanted to understand that too. Thank you.

  488. Tennis Fan says:

    teddytennisfanso true. kuznetsov can keep building on an already pretty solid young career as mcenroe pointed out — and one of the best ways is to learn from meeting a Living Legend on fire.

    I thought Kuznetsov played well, but he isn't used to playing an entire match with such intensity. He was tired at the end, but he's got the tools, now he needs experience.

  489. Tennis Fan says:

    britboxOrder of Play – Friday on the Showcourts

    Arthur Ashe Stadium

    Monica Niculescu (Rom) v Caroline Wozniacki (Den),
    (8) Madison Keys (USA) v Naomi Osaka (Jpn),
    (1) Novak Djokovic (Ser) v Mikhail Youzhny (Rus),

    (4) Rafael Nadal (Spa) v Andrey Kuznetsov (Rus),
    Catherine Cartan Bellis (USA) v (2) Angelique Kerber (Ger)

    Louis Armstrong Stadium

    (7) Roberta Vinci (Ita) v Carina Witthoeft (Ger),
    (26) Jack Sock (USA) v (7) Marin Cilic (Cro),
    (14) Petra Kvitova (Cze) v (22) Elina Svitolina (Ukr),
    (20) John Isner (USA) v Kyle Edmund (Gbr)

    Grandstand

    (9) Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (Fra) v (23) Kevin Anderson (Rsa),
    (13) Johanna Konta (Gbr) v (24) Belinda Bencic (Swi),
    (10) Gael Monfils (Fra) v Nicolas Almagro (Spa),
    Jonathan Erlich (Isr) & Santiago Gonzalez (Mex) v (3) Bob Bryan (USA) & Mike Bryan (USA)

    That Naomi Osaka is one to watch. She held her composure almost to the end, but it's just another stepping stone in her maturation process. I loved her game.

  490. Tennis Fan says:

    teddytennisfani want this KYLE EDMUND to take down Isner

    i just really don't like isner at all. i find him annoying.

    stevie johnson, jock sock, donald young i like and i often root for them…– but not isner. ugh..what ugly tennis, as far as i'm concerned. and its NOT about his height even – i can appreciate KARLOVIC anytime…

    i RARELY really ''dislike" a player for no good reason — and there are two

    for no good reason or good reason — i just really have a visceral dislike of them – their style, their demeanor –

    unreasonable , i know — but i dislike them — so i mus tVENT…

    JOHN ISNER AND AGNIEWSKA RADWANSKA…

    Ha ha ha. Aggie? Aw.

    I know what you mean about the visceral dislike of certain players. I don't know why but I can't hardly stand Madison Keys; something about her irks me.

  491. Carol says:

    Fortunately Rafa is not the same player that he was in Doha when he was mentally "in another world' and the Kuznetsov and anyone gave him a rough time :wacko:

  492. Tennis Fan says:
    teddytennisfan

    of course no one can be someone else. he's who he is.

    but that doesn't mean we have to like him. lol. same as others don't have to like us the way we are. hehe.

    but i just grate when i see him on court. delpo is 6'6…that's 'only' 4 inches 'shorter" and they belong among the giants in the sport

    whether anyone likes that or not or feels it's ''unfair" (as TOMMY HAAS once joked about karlovic) –

    to ferrer a 6 footer is ''so tall" – so it goes across the spectrum that there are just people with characteristics that make some things easier – like serving..

    BUT HAVING all that said:

    what is it with isner i dont like? if its unfair height — i should dislike janowic at 6'8. or delpotro against nadal.

    but i don't ..so — it can't be height i dislike.
    is it the big serve? I LOVE big serves — MY queen serena has the greatest pair of serves – man or woman . i loved pete sampras for his amazing serves BACKED UP with a GREAT game parlayed against AMAZING varieties of styles and great differences of courts in his time.

    so — it can't be his serves..per se…

    so – why don't i like him with a Passion LIKE never towards any others in the ATP ALL the years i've followed tennis?

    SIMPLE — HE IS BORING!!!

    nothing in the way he puts his game together is INTERESTING to me.

    BORING, BORING, BORING!

    and i realize just now TWO things i really dislike in players

    THE BORING ONES and the OVER HYPED ones.

    SO – that explains me about isner and radwa…

    as for HER — i already was NEVER taken by what people constantly say about her ''variety and intelligence" — SEEN HINGIS — and SHE'S better. lol. but more than that — i never liked her ''vibe" on court…as if she's disdainful of her opponent…

    and it just cemented it for me when she LOST in wimbledon finals and made a very dismissive ''handshake" with serena…

    and LATER when serena was OUT early and radwa had HER chance at the finals AGAIN BUT STILL LOST, or was it semis? i dont' care — was even WORSE in her POOR LOSER kind of handshake…wasn't that to KERBER who took out serena from PRECIOUS aga's way to her ''appointed crown?"

    before kerber lost to – was it PETRA again in her second wimby? either way – i was happy radwa lost. lol. and i don't normally get THAT way either, EVEN towards players that take down MY serena.

    THAT SHOULD stand up there in notoriety as HENIN'S famous ''what me? raise my hand??" at the FO over serena…

    she just annoys the hell out of me..both her pushing style that everyone likes to translate as ''creative" (not — it s just pushing that happens to be 'rythmless'' to CURRENT styles and has more to do with ''rarity" rather than REAL brilliance) and that is topped off with the cold, cold aura she exudes …

    so , i am NOT sorry to say — i don't like her.

    and THAT'S very rare for me to say about players UNEQUIVOCALLY …

    lol..

    That's interesting and very good points. All that you say about her is true and I've seen it in the past as well, most notably the disdain, but she's still alright with me. Probably because she seems so ladylike, I like that. But her style is boring and no way is she in a class with Martina Hingis, they need to quit with that because Hingis took on the big girls as well as those in her weight class. M'kay.

  493. Tennis Fan says:

    teddytennisfani ADMIRE the way rafa always has something GOOD to say , i mean with SUBSTANCE , about his opponents. that's one reason i liked him from the beginning.

    i remember VERY clearly still the VERY first time i saw him when he was winning some little tournament just before he went pro – on some news clip on tv…

    he was interviewed to be ''a phenom" after he won a match — and the first thing out of his mouth to the PRAISES about him:

    "you should see my friends too – they are so good".

    it was THAT very moment – and with his playing (going to NET so often!!)
    that i consciously said to myself:

    "i will be fan of this VERY talented yet modest young player".

    I love that about him too. It's a very realistic approach. Some people think it's a lack of confidence, but when you're confident you don't have to pump yourself up. You know what you're capable of, and you also know that anything can happen.

  494. Carol says:

    Tennis FanI love that about him too. It's a very realistic approach. Some people think it's a lack of confidence, but when you're confident you don't have to pump yourself up. You know what you're capable of, and you also know that anything can happen.

    Exactly, he is very natural, he doesn't need to show anything or to 'pretend' whatever and I love the good sense of humor that he has sometimes answering the press questions

  495. britbox britbox says:

    Surprised at the Cilic result, he was my dark horse.

  496. Moxie says:
    britbox

    Surprised at the Cilic result, he was my dark horse.

    I think he was everyone's, even above DelPo. I didn't see the match, but by all accounts he was flat. And Sock has had the hot hand of late. Though so did Cilic, until today. I don't like to be rude, but I've never bought stock in Cilic. And just when it looked like he was going to find his 2014 form again, he falls flat. Whatever.

  497. Moxie says:
    Tennis Fan

    Ha ha ha. Aggie? Aw.

    I know what you mean about the visceral dislike of certain players. I don't know why but I can't hardly stand Madison Keys; something about her irks me.

    You're both a very tough crowd. Everyone is entitled to her opinion, for sure, but John Isner is a perfectly nice young man, and Madison Keys is a smart woman with a big power game. I'm just putting in the word for them. 🙂

  498. britbox britbox says:

    Results from the U.S. Open Men's Singles Round 3 matches on Friday

    10-Gael Monfils (France) beat Nicolas Almagro (Spain) 6-4 6-2 6-4
    1-Novak Djokovic (Serbia) beat Mikhail Youzhny (Russia) 4-2 (Youzhny retired)
    Marcos Baghdatis (Cyprus) beat Ryan Harrison (U.S.) 6-3 7-6(4) 1-6 6-1
    26-Jack Sock (U.S.) beat 7-Marin Cilic (Croatia) 6-4 6-3 6-3
    9-Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (France) beat 23-Kevin Anderson (South Africa) 6-3 6-4 7-6(4)
    4-Rafa Nadal (Spain) beat Andrey Kuznetsov (Russia) 6-1 6-4 6-2
    Kyle Edmund (Britain) beat 20-John Isner (U.S.) 6-4 3-6 6-2 7-6(5)
    24-Lucas Pouille (France) beat 15-Roberto Bautista (Spain) 3-6 7-5 2-6 7-5 6-1

  499. britbox britbox says:

    Kyle Edmund (Britain) beat 20-John Isner (U.S.) 6-4 3-6 6-2 7-6(5)

  500. britbox britbox says:

    10-Gael Monfils (France) beat Nicolas Almagro (Spain) 6-4 6-2 6-4

  501. britbox britbox says:

    1-Novak Djokovic (Serbia) beat Mikhail Youzhny (Russia) 4-2 (Youzhny retired)

  502. britbox britbox says:

    4-Rafa Nadal (Spain) beat Andrey Kuznetsov (Russia) 6-1 6-4 6-2

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oVxS1xqPeY%5D

  503. britbox britbox says:

    26-Jack Sock (U.S.) beat 7-Marin Cilic (Croatia) 6-4 6-3 6-3

  504. Billie says:

    Good wins for the two Frenchmen. Finally I can watch a bit more over the long weekend.

    I don't know what to think about Nole's position. Good that he had a bit of rest if he is ailing, but lack of competition can't be really all that good. I guess we'll see.

  505. Moxie says:

    BillieGood wins for the two Frenchmen. Finally I can watch a bit more over the long weekend.

    I don't know what to think about Nole's position. Good that he had a bit of rest if he is ailing, but lack of competition can't be really all that good. I guess we'll see.

    I think Nole will survive the lack of competition. Thrilled for Tsonga and Monfils. Both are playing very well. I think Joe has finally found a color that outshines his smile. And I think Rafa is showing excellent form. All good news for the top of the draw. We can discuss the other half tomorrow.

  506. Billie says:
    britbox

    Surprised at the Cilic result, he was my dark horse.

    But he is not known for his consistency, really. He is not the guy who constantly goes deep in tournaments, just once in a blue moon. Perhaps he has an injury, tough to know. Is it Bjorkman working now with him? Maybe the relationship still needs some work for him to play consistently well.

  507. Billie says:

    Tomorrow:

    Arthur Ashe stadium: Murray vs Lorenzi (after 2 ladies' matches) and at night Kyrgios vs Marchenko

    Louis Armstrong : Del Potro vs Ferrer and Evans vs Wawrinka (after 2 ladies' matches)

    Grandstand: Thiem vs Carreno Busta, and after 2 ladies' matches Nishikori vs Mahut

    Court 17: Sousa vs Dimitrov and Karlovic vs Donaldson

  508. Moxie says:

    Beyond Murray likely making short work of Lorenzi, there could be some very interesting matches on the men's side. Kyrgios should also have a straightforward match, but it's hard to imagine that drama wouldn't be involved. You'd think that Nishikori would get rid of Mahut easily, but he hasn't looked so confident of late. The rest could be tuck in for the longer haul.

  509. teddytennisfan says:
    Tennis Fan

    I always wanted to understand that too. Thank you.

    IT HAS MADE such a BIG difference in the way i enjoy watching now – because BrokenShoelace explained it. i'm so grateful.

  510. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    I think Nole will survive the lack of competition. Thrilled for Tsonga and Monfils. Both are playing very well. I think Joe has finally found a color that outshines his smile. And I think Rafa is showing excellent form. All good news for the top of the draw. We can discuss the other half tomorrow.

    i think Moxie is correct about NOLE on this. Nole has been playing the first 2 rounds as if he's NOT feeling as prepared as he wants to be TO FEEL confident.

    and IF that also has to do not just with not winning In RIO and lingering 'disappointed" feeling since wimbledon — BUT with the added ''half-mind" because of his wrist — then maybe a few days EXTRA ''rest and check" of his game – those few extra days to ''restart" the engine in higher mode just might do him good.

    it's almost as if the USO 'is a few days too early" for nole's ''fighting form" so — i expect it should do him good for monday.

  511. teddytennisfan says:

    Tennis FanHa ha ha. Aggie? Aw.

    I know what you mean about the visceral dislike of certain players. I don't know why but I can't hardly stand Madison Keys; something about her irks me.

    it's just our own human frailty maybe. at least for me — it's probably just me – and i have my own ''moods" towards players …but heck – we can have our likes and dislikes – and being self-indulging —
    and that just happens to be my set of indulgence not liking these two i named…

    i mean — i DIDN'T like HINGIS at all because of how presumptuous she was about having replaced MY steffi and talking smack abotu steffi in her absence or was struggling in her comeback from her knee that was almost career- ending — and definitely probably career- shortening anywayWHEN Stefanie got sick and tired of all the 'slavery to training and it's not fun anymore" (as she said at that time)

    BUT i was always in awe of HINGIS' talent — and i am NOT with radwa's.

    hingis had TONS – KABOODLES of attitude yes — even very insulting to me steffi — BUT hingis DID back it up with her performances and during a time when HER style — extraordinary as HER TALENT was WAS not A VERY RARE thing at all…TOUCH was STILL very much as much as the order of the day as opposed to the more ''bang,bang style" from the baseline today – even from the weaker players — so

    HINGIS – in her TALENT did HAVE to shine among players who HAD plenty of variety — not least steffi herself , or davenport, or novotna…etc..that are in very short quantity nowadays where RADWA'S sheer LACK OF POWER (WHICH hingis had MORE of, in reality) —

    MAKES her artificially stand out like she's some kind of genius when in fact she is NOT –just a pusher who puts in the ''original style" of her UGLY looking squash shot — and is a ''mystery" to most player sTODAY who simply are NOT familiar or trained in how to deal with ''no power" shots , no pace shots

    that was SO much a PART of the variety that characterised the graf era IN WHICH HINGIS stepped in and proved HERSELF ALONG with a healthy measure of HER own power (except that serena and venus SIMPLY were far, far too much for her to handle inthe end and HAD their OWN bag of touch tennis) .

    so — i have this distaste for radwanska — maybe because of this HYPE like she is some kind of ''revelation from heaven"

    when in fact – it's really just because she knows how to play what amounts to a SMALL GAME — that 90 percent can't figure out because it has DISAPPEARED from THEIR own arsenals!

    an allegory would be :

    "when you are singing against CHOIR that doesn't know how to sing soft notes — then YOU look like a genius for having a SMALL VOICE".

    BUT — LOOKING like a genius and hyped as such — does NOT make you ONE!

    it only really means — you have a SMALL voice among people who dont know how to practice singing softly …that's all really.

    then on TOP of that — her attitude that i find cold and thinly veiled in its condescension at the shots her rivals make (especially when they WIN the point) – is like watching someone who thinks she is OWED that RUN to the finals in majors when all she is capable of against the REAL big time , big game players on a good day of focused tennis the way they SHOULD …

    is to get SQUASHED like a bug on court.

    HINGIS had the attitude that went with her REAL high quality talent , hands and brain — backed up by her five majors.

    radwa has attitude that ISN'T backed up by that kind of achievement.

    and i DON'T care what people say about how polite and soft-[spoken she is…to me — she gives off that ''feel" that somehow she thinks she actually is BETTER than the ones that actually WIN THE BIG prizes and finals than she or OVER her.

    and as far as i am concerned — she is the queen of the small tournaments — like SEOUL open………..so people need to stop HYPING her as if she is some kind of world beater.

  512. brokenshoelace says:

    Nadal's English has really improved. That's the most positive thing I can say about watching him right now, lol.

    I'm not being harsh on him or anything, with the wrist and the inconsistent year we can't really expect him to be at his best, but I'm not too happy with the serve or the forehand. The backhand and movement are good, but I don't see how he can really threaten to win this tournament with the two most important shots not working.

  513. Moxie says:

    brokenshoelaceNadal's English has really improved. That's the most positive thing I can say about watching him right now, lol.

    I'm not being harsh on him or anything, with the wrist and the inconsistent year we can't really expect him to be at his best, but I'm not too happy with the serve or the forehand. The backhand and movement are good, but I don't see how he can really threaten to win this tournament with the two most important shots not working.

    Funnily enough, I had been thinking the same about his English, but I was randomly thinking back to when he really didn't speak any at all. Now, I agree about the serve, and some commentator also mentioned not liking his new position on the ad court, but he's hit a lot of FH winners in recent matches. Though he is more confident with the BH these days. But why so down on the FH?

  514. isabelle says:

    MoxieI think Nole will survive the lack of competition. Thrilled for Tsonga and Monfils. Both are playing very well. I think Joe has finally found a color that outshines his smile. And I think Rafa is showing excellent form. All good news for the top of the draw. We can discuss the other half tomorrow.

    Pouille is good too, happy about Frenchies performances for the moment

  515. brokenshoelace says:

    MoxieFunnily enough, I had been thinking the same about his English, but I was randomly thinking back to when he really didn't speak any at all. Now, I agree about the serve, and some commentator also mentioned not liking his new position on the ad court, but he's hit a lot of FH winners in recent matches. Though he is more confident with the BH these days. But why so down on the FH?

    I used to think that Rafa's down the line and inside out forehands were the barometer to how confident/good he's playing. But over the years, I'm more on the side that it's his cross court forehand, and how deep he's hitting it, and more importantly, how it's bouncing off the court (he doesn't always need great depth on courts that eat up his spin b/c the ball explodes off the bounce). Because hitting his cross court forehand with ferocity is what allows him to go for his down the line forehand and his inside out forehand. So to me, Nadal's rally forehand is the most important aspect of his game. When he's hitting it well, he feels confident enough to change directions and go up the line early in the rallies, and play with more aggression in general.

    His rally forehand looks a touch harmless right now, relatively speaking of course. Naturally, the kind of opponents he's facing now in the early rounds aren't ones who can capitalize, and these are opponents he can outplay through other means anyway.

    You can visibly see him struggling to gain space and get closer to the baseline as a result of not hitting his c/c forehand well enough. He's having to do some running as a result, not necessarily being in super defensive mode (but you can see him moving a lot during rallies), and to be fair, he's moving quite well. Far better than he was in 2015 IMO.

  516. Moxie says:

    isabellePouille is good too, happy about Frenchies performances for the moment

    Even Mahut is still in. I think that means France still has the most players still alive on the men's side. Spain and Britain still have 3. US still has two, and not necessarily the expected ones, in Sock and Donaldson.

  517. Moxie says:

    brokenshoelaceI used to think that Rafa's down the line and inside out forehands were the barometer to how confident/good he's playing. But over the years, I'm more on the side that it's his cross court forehand, and how deep he's hitting it, and more importantly, how it's bouncing off the court (he doesn't always need great depth on courts that eat up his spin b/c the ball explodes off the bounce). Because hitting his cross court forehand with ferocity is what allows him to go for his down the line forehand and his inside out forehand. So to me, Nadal's rally forehand is the most important aspect of his game. When he's hitting it well, he feels confident enough to change directions and go up the line early in the rallies, and play with more aggression in general.

    His rally forehand looks a touch harmless right now, relatively speaking of course. Naturally, the kind of opponents he's facing now in the early rounds aren't ones who can capitalize, and these are opponents he can outplay through other means anyway.

    You can visibly see him struggling to gain space and get closer to the baseline as a result of not hitting his c/c forehand well enough. He's having to do some running as a result, not necessarily being in super defensive mode (but you can see him moving a lot during rallies), and to be fair, he's moving quite well. Far better than he was in 2015 IMO.

    That's a helpful analysis. I know it's easier for him to hit deep and look like a superstar against lesser opponents. It's not hard for him to look better than he did for most of 2015, but I agree that he does.

  518. teddytennisfan says:
    brokenshoelace

    Nadal's English has really improved. That's the most positive thing I can say about watching him right now, lol.

    I'm not being harsh on him or anything, with the wrist and the inconsistent year we can't really expect him to be at his best, but I'm not too happy with the serve or the forehand. The backhand and movement are good, but I don't see how he can really threaten to win this tournament with the two most important shots not working.

    THIS IS understandable ..both rafa's state and your dissatisfaction.

    i think he just has to do it be FEEL – if nothing else. everything is as the moment feels and requires and for him, i suspect , it's still at the stage.
    so long as it doesn't get pushed into relapse which makes things worse for his long-term prospects. for now — we can at least be happy that he IS back – and in some form reminiscent of his best performances.

    i DON'T fully expect him to win it – if especially even if he reaches the finals and/or meets a fully in form ANDY or anyone of the big hitters including NOLE of course.

    but i'm personally – as a rafa fan purely — jusT really happy to see him back – and seemingly enjoying giving it a GOOD shot – as he is doing right now.

    let's see how it unfolds match by match if he can keep going.

  519. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Funnily enough, I had been thinking the same about his English, but I was randomly thinking back to when he really didn't speak any at all. Now, I agree about the serve, and some commentator also mentioned not liking his new position on the ad court, but he's hit a lot of FH winners in recent matches. Though he is more confident with the BH these days. But why so down on the FH?

    when he was new — he revealed that he studied his english books every night. just before going to bed and then reading news and he goes to sleep.

  520. Moxie says:

    I'm watching something of a battle of young guns in Thiem v. Carreño Busta. PCB just won his first tourney in Winston-Salem (he's 25,) and Thiem's bday is today (23.) They're older edge of younger bunch, but still, this would have been a first rounder a year ago. PCB took the first, Dominic the second.

  521. teddytennisfan says:

    halep over at the womens in a bit of trouble..she could lose her service here – at 15-30 – 3-4…

    15-40…30-40….deuce…ad for halep…survived THAT

  522. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    thiem breaks then ufe's his serve away. toilet head.

  523. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    thiem machine emerges from the toilet to win in four..1-6, 6-4, 6-4, 7-5. vamos daddio.

  524. herios says:

    The anticipated quick work of Lorenzi by Murray is anything but.
    It is 1 set a piece, both sets were featuring long gruelling points, and Lorenzi does not look like getting tired.

  525. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    anyone watch del potro i saw alot of it along with dominic theism match ?..he is looking good after a 1st set wobble, can't wait for thiem/delpotoro. think jmdp is borderline top100 rank now..which is good news.

    expect a smorgasboard of tennis bliss.

  526. herios says:

    Daniel Evans takes the first set against Stan

  527. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    murray is being annoyed by this lorenzi geezer. :fishing:

  528. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    dan evans lol. one of the many confusing cases of uk tennis.

  529. Billie says:

    I watched a lot of tennis today YAY!

    Delpo was great, he called a trainer at the end of the first set, but didn't take MTO, hopefully that is nothing. I wish, however, that he loses that terrible shirt color, it hurt my eyes the whole time.

    Thiem was so animated throughout his match, I hadn't seen him as vocal as he was today.

    Murray will take this set, I think, but what an effort from Lorenzi. I honestly didn't think he would be able to even play this match, but he did more than it was expected of him. Murray didn't impress at all considering his opponent doesn't have any really big weapons and had to play a 5 hour match in the previous round. I guess they can't always play their best and a bit of letdown is normal.

    Wawrinka is serving for the 2nd set, it's hard to watch everything when there are 2 matches being played at the same time.

  530. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    dan v stan..

    stan turned ankle, stan has mto, stan has ankle mummified, dan gets agitated..stan breaks dan. 5-3 2nd set.

  531. britbox britbox says:

    Would be huge for Dan if he could pull this off.

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  532. Billie says:
    JesuslookslikeBorg

    dan v stan..

    stan turned ankle, stan has mto, stan has ankle mummified, dan gets agitated..stan breaks dan. 5-3 2nd set.

    I missed all that as I was watching Andy.

    I think I should invest in that picture in picture TV set.:D

  533. britbox britbox says:
    Billie

    I watched a lot of tennis today YAY!

    Delpo was great, he called a trainer at the end of the first set, but didn't take MTO, hopefully that is nothing. I wish, however, that he loses that terrible shirt color, it hurt my eyes the whole time.

    Thiem was so animated throughout his match, I hadn't seen him as vocal as he was today.

    Murray will take this set, I think, but what an effort from Lorenzi. I honestly didn't think he would be able to even play this match, but he did more than it was expected of him. Murray didn't impress at all considering his opponent doesn't have any really big weapons and had to play a 5 hour match in the previous round. I guess they can't always play their best and a bit of letdown is normal.

    Wawrinka is serving for the 2nd set, it's hard to watch everything when there are 2 matches being played at the same time.

    Did you see any Thiem or Dimitrov?

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  534. Billie says:

    Most of Thiem's match and a little bit of the ending of Dimitrov's, BB. We have US open on 3 different channels here in Canada, but the court Dimitrov and Sousa played wasn't one of the featured ones, unfortunately. Dimitrov seems to be playing well.

  535. Billie says:
    britbox

    Did you see any Thiem or Dimitrov?

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    Thiem started the match with a lot of errors. Then he settled down from the 2nd set. But it wasn't an easy affair against Carreno Busta. I don't know if I am imagining it, but to me it looks like a lot of players are playing well once they have gained some experience, usually in their late 20s. Dominic looked anxious a lot and tried to end points too soon, making a number of UFEs.

  536. Billie says:

    Andy wins but what a feeling it must be for Lorenzi. He hadn't won back to back matches in any major until this year at USO. He even served for the 1st set but nerves got to him. Even being jaded, Andy came through as expectedly.

    Dimitrov vs Murray – should be a good one.

  537. Billie says:

    This is the 2nd time I hear: bad boy of British tennis, describing Evans. Why? He is giving Wawrinka everything he can handle, 3rd set tiebreak about to start.

  538. Billie says:

    What a beauty by Stan to save the 3rd set point in this 3rd set tiebreaker!

    But Evans takes it nevertheless. An upset in the making!!!

  539. britbox britbox says:

    Stan living on the edge.

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  540. Billie says:
    britbox

    Stan living on the edge.

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    Great effort by Evans, but it looks like the experience and being less nervous in critical moments will prevail.

  541. Billie says:

    After dropping the 1st set Kei righted the ship, won the next 3 sets and is through to R16.

  542. Tennis Fan says:

    CarolExactly, he is very natural, he doesn't need to show anything or to 'pretend' whatever and I love the good sense of humor that he has sometimes answering the press questions

    Yep, he's just real. There is no pretense in him. What is really honesty is often mistaken for a lack of confidence. I laugh about that all the time. In society we're programmed to "never let them see you sweat" which is stupid, IMO, because sweating is a natural function of the body. Pretending you don't sweat is silly and anyone who believes it has some kind of complex. Just be yourself, it's worked out swimmingly for Rafael Nadal, he's shown us by example.

  543. Moxie says:
    britbox

    Did you see any Thiem or Dimitrov?

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    I didn't see any of Dimitrov, but Thiem v. PCB was a really well-matched affair. That was a good match. Carreño Busta acquitted himself well.

  544. Tennis Fan says:
    Moxie

    You're both a very tough crowd. Everyone is entitled to her opinion, for sure, but John Isner is a perfectly nice young man, and Madison Keys is a smart woman with a big power game. I'm just putting in the word for them. 🙂

    Good, everyone needs someone to support them. I have no problem with that.

  545. Tennis Fan says:
    britbox

    Surprised at the Cilic result, he was my dark horse.

    So was I, more so in the meek manner in which he did it.

  546. Moxie says:

    Evans gets one break back. I'm just now tuning in. What happened with the trainer not seeing Evans for a rolled ankle when they did one for Stan?

  547. Billie says:

    this is the first for me to see that an ATP trainer refused to treat a player who called for him. He said it was cramps (which I am starting to believe now) but still. The guy is playing his heart out and was down 2 breaks so a bit of help couldn't hurt that much.

    Looks like another love fest between Stan and Nick is in the making.

  548. Tennis Fan says:

    teddytennisfanit's just our own human frailty maybe. at least for me — it's probably just me – and i have my own ''moods" towards players …but heck – we can have our likes and dislikes – and being self-indulging —
    and that just happens to be my set of indulgence not liking these two i named…

    i mean — i DIDN'T like HINGIS at all because of how presumptuous she was about having replaced MY steffi and talking smack abotu steffi in her absence or was struggling in her comeback from her knee that was almost career- ending — and definitely probably career- shortening anywayWHEN Stefanie got sick and tired of all the 'slavery to training and it's not fun anymore" (as she said at that time)

    BUT i was always in awe of HINGIS' talent — and i am NOT with radwa's.

    hingis had TONS – KABOODLES of attitude yes — even very insulting to me steffi — BUT hingis DID back it up with her performances and during a time when HER style — extraordinary as HER TALENT was WAS not A VERY RARE thing at all…TOUCH was STILL very much as much as the order of the day as opposed to the more ''bang,bang style" from the baseline today – even from the weaker players — so

    HINGIS – in her TALENT did HAVE to shine among players who HAD plenty of variety — not least steffi herself , or davenport, or novotna…etc..that are in very short quantity nowadays where RADWA'S sheer LACK OF POWER (WHICH hingis had MORE of, in reality) —

    MAKES her artificially stand out like she's some kind of genius when in fact she is NOT –just a pusher who puts in the ''original style" of her UGLY looking squash shot — and is a ''mystery" to most player sTODAY who simply are NOT familiar or trained in how to deal with ''no power" shots , no pace shots

    that was SO much a PART of the variety that characterised the graf era IN WHICH HINGIS stepped in and proved HERSELF ALONG with a healthy measure of HER own power (except that serena and venus SIMPLY were far, far too much for her to handle inthe end and HAD their OWN bag of touch tennis) .

    so — i have this distaste for radwanska — maybe because of this HYPE like she is some kind of ''revelation from heaven"

    when in fact – it's really just because she knows how to play what amounts to a SMALL GAME — that 90 percent can't figure out because it has DISAPPEARED from THEIR own arsenals!

    an allegory would be :

    "when you are singing against CHOIR that doesn't know how to sing soft notes — then YOU look like a genius for having a SMALL VOICE".

    BUT — LOOKING like a genius and hyped as such — does NOT make you ONE!

    it only really means — you have a SMALL voice among people who dont know how to practice singing softly …that's all really.

    then on TOP of that — her attitude that i find cold and thinly veiled in its condescension at the shots her rivals make (especially when they WIN the point) – is like watching someone who thinks she is OWED that RUN to the finals in majors when all she is capable of against the REAL big time , big game players on a good day of focused tennis the way they SHOULD …

    is to get SQUASHED like a bug on court.

    HINGIS had the attitude that went with her REAL high quality talent , hands and brain — backed up by her five majors.

    radwa has attitude that ISN'T backed up by that kind of achievement.

    and i DON'T care what people say about how polite and soft-[spoken she is…to me — she gives off that ''feel" that somehow she thinks she actually is BETTER than the ones that actually WIN THE BIG prizes and finals than she or OVER her.

    and as far as i am concerned — she is the queen of the small tournaments — like SEOUL open………..so people need to stop HYPING her as if she is some kind of world beater.

    I hear you teddy. We all have our reasons for liking or disliking any player on tour. It doesn't have to be rational because we're humans and not robots, we have emotions and it's OK to express them. I hear what you're saying about Aggie, although it doesn't make me not like her, but I feel that your points are valid because I see everything that you say.

    I've heard that about Hingis, things I didn't know at the time. I loved watching her play but was dispassionate about her as a person. One of the things that I read later was where she was presenting an award one year and she said "And the winner is…surprise…it's not me." Then I was glad that I hadn't been a real fan because I don't like haughty, superior attitudes in anyone. Ever.

  549. Billie says:

    Dr Ivo plays better than in his 20s. He is up 2:0 on the youngster.

  550. Carol says:

    i'd like to know why Kyrgios is playing tennis if he says that he doesn't like. Couldn't he to choose another sport? 🙁

  551. Moxie says:

    Caroli'd like to know why Kyrgios is playing tennis if he says that he doesn't like. Couldn't he to choose another sport? 🙁

    He loves basketball, but he's not necessarily tall enough or from the right country. If you're a wildly talented athlete, sometimes the sport choses you. I don't fault Nick for saying he doesn't love tennis, but I will fault him if he takes it for granted, squanders his talent and just meanders petulantly around the 20s ranking, taking the money and waiting to get out.

  552. Carol says:

    My goodness, what a bright colors they are wearing in this tournament, I need a sun glasses to look at them :help:

  553. Carol says:

    MoxieHe loves basketball, but he's not necessarily tall enough or from the right country. If you're a wildly talented athlete, sometimes the sport choses you. I don't fault Nick for saying he doesn't love tennis, but I will fault him if he takes it for granted, squanders his talent and just meanders petulantly around the 20s ranking, taking the money and waiting to get out.

    To me he seems to be more non-conformist than anything else and I don't think he likes obligations, discipline and sacrifice which is necessary for any sport but tennis probably one of the most

  554. Billie says:

    Dr Ivo is in the R16. What a great run by him. Even though he lost, young Donaldson has been impressive in this tournament.

    Kei gets Ivo next.

  555. Billie says:

    CarolMy goodness, what a bright colors they are wearing in this tournament, I need a sun glasses to look at them :help:

    Ha ha….I am glad I am not the only one with that complaint. I like Delpo but it was a distraction to look at him, in all that fluorescent green/yellow today.

  556. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    nick k is playing well. cracking some epic winners. hurrah and huzzah.

  557. Moxie says:

    Fasten your seat belts…Nick is up on the big court!

  558. Carol says:

    BillieHa ha….I am glad I am not the only one with that complaint. I like Delpo but it was a distraction to look at him, in all that fluorescent green/yellow today.

    And more distraction for their opponents :wacko:

  559. Billie says:

    CarolAnd more distraction for their opponents :wacko:

    Unless they are both in the similar colors.:) Maybe we are just not fashionable enough, Carol.;)

  560. Carol says:

    That was a good point by Kyrgios, good legs!

  561. Moxie says:

    Maybe a good thing, maybe not. Hard to sneak around the court and fool anyone if you're a neon sign.

  562. Carol says:

    BillieUnless they are both in the similar colors.:) Maybe we are just not fashionable enough, Carol.;)

    Maybe, maybe, it seems to be in style 😀

  563. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    shot of the tourney by nick ..crazy slice wide. with added backspin.

  564. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    urrghhh..nick in full gimp mode. :-(:wacko: I would say he gets broken but he broke is own serve really.

  565. Moxie says:

    And yet, he escaped. He is in full casual mode.

  566. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    nick is a quiet strawberry bouncing around in a world of non-loud loud.

  567. Moxie says:

    Jeepers, Kyrgios plays fast!

  568. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    nick goes off for a cry and a fart.

  569. Carol says:

    I beat you that he will win the next set………:confused:

  570. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    this match is just a tray full of gerbils..whats going on?..tra la la la laaaa no-one really knows.

  571. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    2nd serve ace..pistol pete style, :drums:

  572. Moxie says:

    My coverage dropped over to Dr. Ivo, who wins it. Nice fella.

  573. Billie says:

    Problems with Nick.:-(

  574. Moxie says:

    Awesome couple of points to take the set, for Kyrgios. And he even proved he cared, a couple of points ago. 🙂

  575. Moxie says:

    BillieProblems with Nick.:-(

    What problems? He won the set, and no one got hurt or yelled at. That seems like a bullet dodged all around. LOL.

  576. Billie says:

    MoxieAwesome couple of points to take the set, for Kyrgios. And he even proved he cared, a couple of points ago. 🙂

    Are you not watching this live? They are in the 3rd set now, Nick down a break 1:3 after Marchenko won set #2.

  577. Moxie says:

    Oh, no! Espn has been behind all day. I just figured they'd caught up for the night session. I guess I have to go to the internet. I don't know what's wrong with ESPN!

  578. Billie says:
    Moxie

    Oh, no! Espn has been behind all day. I just figured they'd caught up for the night session. I guess I have to go to the internet. I don't know what's wrong with ESPN!

    Yeah, do join the current times.

    Sadly, Nick walked off the court, came back but he is not looking well at all.

  579. teddytennisfan says:
    Billie

    Are you not watching this live? They are in the 3rd set now, Nick down a break 1:3 after Marchenko won set #2.

    i think they're talking about an injury.

    pat mcenroe just said:
    "kyrgios is on the verge of gtears….trainer trying to convince him to try and continue and see if he can"

    johnny mac says: |:"painful to watch this…maybe the groin…can't get up to serve"…

  580. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    :sick: will the nick show close down ?.

  581. teddytennisfan says:

    BUMMER if this match gets messed up by another injury !! darn!! i really hate that kind of thing.

  582. Carol says:

    MoxieOh, no! Espn has been behind all day. I just figured they'd caught up for the night session. I guess I have to go to the internet. I don't know what's wrong with ESPN!

    I'm watching the match live on ESPN2

  583. teddytennisfan says:
    JesuslookslikeBorg

    :sick: will the nick show close down ?.

    it looks like it — they earlier said he was having problem ''moving to his forehand". there…he didn't even bother to go to his right to get at the ball in the middle of the court too.

  584. Billie says:

    teddytennisfani think they're talking about an injury.

    pat mcenroe just said:
    "kyrgios is on the verge of gtears….trainer trying to convince him to try and continue and see if he can"

    johnny mac says: |:"painful to watch this…maybe the groin…can't get up to serve"…

    Yeah, I am watching ESPN's coverage and it is really sad seeing Nick this way.

  585. teddytennisfan says:
    Carol

    I'm watching the match live on ESPN2

    same here. u think he can continue? the way it looks its probably towels for him after a few more games if nothing improves…

  586. Moxie says:

    I've got a live feed now. What is up with Nick…hurt, massive ennui?

  587. Billie says:

    I don't think he will finish this match. Might be a groin injury. What else can't be examined in the stadium?

  588. teddytennisfan says:

    it looks so over.

    PAT MCENROE speculates: kyrgios isn't sufficiently training and prepared – physically and mentally for the rigors and relies only his obvious talent.

    john mc – WONDERS if the injury prevents him from doing the physical preparations needed.

    either way – what a WASTE – at least in this match. talent like that ….just too bad…

  589. Moxie says:

    Oh, he's out. Too bad!

  590. Carol says:

    teddytennisfansame here. u think he can continue? the way it looks its probably towels for him after a few more games if nothing improves…

    If he feels so bad he should retire because anyway he can't win in that conditions and could get worse and worse about whatever he has

  591. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    I've got a live feed now. What is up with Nick…hurt, massive ennui?

    it's OVER – he gave up.

    but why didn't you get live feed, Moxie?

  592. Carol says:

    It's the best he could do

  593. Billie says:

    Sadly Nick retires at 1:2 in the match.

    The biggest success of 28year old Marchenko and he is subdued, naturally.

  594. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieOh, he's out. Too bad!

    CONGRATS TO ILYA MARCHENKO — either way . not the way he would have liked to win this – because he also played well and was quite firm in his own fighting. he deserves his place in the ROUND OF 16. !! AND THAT SHIRT looks good on him.

  595. Billie says:

    teddytennisfanCONGRATS TO ILYA MARCHENKO — either way . not the way he would have liked to win this – because he also played well and was quite firm in his own fighting. he deserves his place in the ROUND OF 16. !! AND THAT SHIRT looks good on him.

    Nice looking kid.:) I like the outfit as well.:good:

  596. teddytennisfan says:

    GO ILYA!!! i'm gonna root for HIM anyway!

    it's not HIS fault if NICK just wans't up to the physical demand today. he did HIS job to stay in the match – be competitive and earn his win.

    and it' s ALWAYS nice to see others ''far back in the rankings" that worked so hard to have their day — and go forward. so I want him to go further!

  597. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    soft soggy toast of a match. (started as fireworks on stilts). :sick::-(

  598. Billie says:

    teddytennisfanGO ILYA!!! i'm gonna root for HIM anyway!

    Against Wawrinka you mean, or from now on whenever he plays?

  599. JesuslookslikeBorg says:

    can't you lot get eurosport at all in usa ??….I just got a month via my laptop for 1st time for about £6,,

    after finding out on opening day that skysports were not showing usopen for 1st time since 1992 or so..have a choice of at least 8 courts.

  600. teddytennisfan says:

    CarolIf he feels so bad he should retire because anyway he can't win in that conditions and could get worse and worse about whatever he has

    and hopefully — IF patrick mcenroe is correct in his supposition that NICK'S blase attitude about tennis is cause of his ''not training enough to be physically stronger and prepared for the rigors" — then NICK BETTER GO HOME AND THINK ABOUT everything…

    either he does what is required as ALL others with so much LESSER talent than he — that are kicking themselves to work, work work and BE BETTER than they are blessed with.

    JOHN MCENROE just said:

    "he better think hard…if he doesn't want it — then get out – there are others who want it so badly.. ".

    and THA Tis correct, i agree. talent, kaboodles of it is great — but that's just the start. it comes with RESPONSIBILITY to use it properly to the best of one's ability – and if even with it – one DOESN'T want to use it that way — then go and find another way to use that talent in another field.

    it is unfair to others with less talent who are working so hard just to get a piece of that kind of talent's ability to be where they hope to be.

    an example is marchenk0p – he might not have had the talent –but he prepared himself for today – took everything seriously despite his being only recently breaking into the top 100…and SO HE DESERVED TO WIN and the SUPPORT of the crowd during his PRIDE in winning or saying "a win is a win".

  601. Billie says:

    So tomorrow we have:

    Arthur Ashe: Rafa vs Pouille (3rd match in day session) and Nole vs Edmund 2nd match in night session

    Louis Armstrong: Tsonga vs Sock (2nd match)

    Grandstand: Monfils vs Baghdatis at 11:00am

  602. teddytennisfan says:

    BillieAgainst Wawrinka you mean, or from now on whenever he plays?

    i don't like wawrinka. so that's the first reason.

    the second — against anyone IF marchenkp can prove himself .

    i'm like that — even against MY top favorites –i'll be able to root against an underdog once i feel ''this guy needs a break and have HIS day in the sun even just once".

    i don't know – but that's how i am. i just like the ''wealth spread" more. hehe. i just like to see more of them with big, big smiles on their faces that they made it ''once" also. u know?

    I ALWAYS keep in mind — i have been ''so successful' in my own way of PICKING my top favorites — like rafa, nole, etc…and before them sampras, steffi…etc…and serena …etc…

    that as a FAN i can ''afford" to see even THESE — big favorites of mine — to lose to an UNKNOWN. but i only want it if it means the unknown can have a really nice day for the rest of his career. something that will make that unknown a real ''star" in his own way.
    and MY b ig favorites — i remind myself "they are already GAZILLIONAIRES…and really competing against themselves and their own records and history….

    so far ABOVE the ''little names". THEY can afford a few hundred thosuand dollars LOSS in a bet…of tennis match — or a loss of another ROUTINE TITLE of majors etc…

    but the little names – IF they can prove themselves for a few matches — could really USE just a little fraction of what is so ORDINARY to the big names…the little names also have families , u know…
    tha'ts how i always did it as a fan of tennis and my own favorites.
    something like that is ALWAYS playing in the back of my mind when i watch tennis. lol..

    i can't help it – i'm sentimental that way.

  603. herios says:

    I am backing here the MacEnroe bros. How do you think Nick can be fit and prepared when e has no coach and no fitness trainer? Hello?
    The guy is not serious about this sport and he wastes his talent and time.
    He will be never a top player in the real sense , like a top 5 or so with this attitude.
    But I am sure we will never find out, because I am almost sure he will quit entirely the sport soon.
    He looks like he does not want to be there Period.

  604. Billie says:

    I am not that sentimental, Todore. I would root for Nole even if he played my brother.:D

  605. teddytennisfan says:

    BillieAgainst Wawrinka you mean, or from now on whenever he plays?

    and then when someone like that , that i feel suddenly sentimental for — goes against MY favorite — say NOLE or RAFA …

    I'M GONNA suspend my rooting for EITHER player…i/m gonna root for ''the better player' on that day.

    IF NOLE doesnt play WELL — I'M GONNA root for the player that plays better — namely the ''little guy" – if the little guy doens/'t play well and disappoints — im' gonna root for the better players NOLE. so i'm gonna root for ''who plays and competes better" on that day.

    that's how i basically 'protect' my own emotions, i think. my way of setting aside my ''sentiments' for either player — and become ''dispassionate" for either of them and just for ''good tennis" and ''the better tennis competitor" on that day. tha't show i do it, round by round.

  606. teddytennisfan says:

    heriosI am backing here the MacEnroe bros. How do you think Nick can be fit and prepared when e has no coach and no fitness trainer? Hello?
    The guy is not serious about this sport and he wastes his talent and time.
    He will be never a top player in the real sense , like a top 5 or so with this attitude.
    But I am sure we will never find out, because I am almost sure he will quit entirely the sport soon.
    He looks like he does not want to be there Period.

    oh i DEFINITELY agree with you too.

    clearly so many people are inlove with nick's talent AND his colorful personality — TENNIS NEEDS IT — but he HAS to earn the rest .

    he has a GOOD BEGINNING — based on pure talent and personality .

    NOW he has to WORK TO BUILD on it — and only DISCIPLINE and commitment does that.

    if NADAL, NOLE, ANDY, ROGER WAWRINKA, etc. didn't dsicipline themselves — where would THEY be?

    SAME RULE applies to ultra talented kyrgios.

  607. Billie says:

    heriosI am backing here the MacEnroe bros. How do you think Nick can be fit and prepared when e has no coach and no fitness trainer? Hello?
    The guy is not serious about this sport and he wastes his talent and time.
    He will be never a top player in the real sense , like a top 5 or so with this attitude.
    But I am sure we will never find out, because I am almost sure he will quit entirely the sport soon.
    He looks like he does not want to be there Period.

    Tell us how you feel Herios.;-):

    I think he cares and wants to do well and his sometimes questionable attitude is just a young guy's way of deflecting the pressure. You know, I don't care…but it's just posturing. It could be a possibility, how knows.

  608. herios says:

    teddytennisfani don't like wawrinka. so that's the first reason.

    the second — against anyone IF marchenkp can prove himself .

    i'm like that — even against MY top favorites –i'll be able to root against an underdog once i feel ''this guy needs a break and have HIS day in the sun even just once".

    i don't know – but that's how i am. i just like the ''wealth spread" more. hehe. i just like to see more of them with big, big smiles on their faces that they made it ''once" also. u know?

    I ALWAYS keep in mind — i have been ''so successful' in my own way of PICKING my top favorites — like rafa, nole, etc…and before them sampras, steffi…etc…and serena …etc…

    that as a FAN i can ''afford" to see even THESE — big favorites of mine — to lose to an UNKNOWN. but i only want it if it means the unknown can have a really nice day for the rest of his career. something that will make that unknown a real ''star" in his own way.
    and MY b ig favorites — i remind myself "they are already GAZILLIONAIRES…and really competing against themselves and their own records and history….

    so far ABOVE the ''little names". THEY can afford a few hundred thosuand dollars LOSS in a bet…of tennis match — or a loss of another ROUTINE TITLE of majors etc…

    but the little names – IF they can prove themselves for a few matches — could really USE just a little fraction of what is so ORDINARY to the big names…the little names also have families , u know…
    tha'ts how i always did it as a fan of tennis and my own favorites.
    something like that is ALWAYS playing in the back of my mind when i watch tennis. lol..

    i can't help it – i'm sentimental that way.

    I am with you completely. I like nice Cinderella stories and always pick the underdog to root for, when I am not invested with my favorite polayers
    Ilya especially touched me tonight with that interview, what a nice young fellow. Go Ilya!!!!!!!!!!!!

  609. teddytennisfan says:

    BillieI am not that sentimental, Todore. I would root for Nole even if he played my brother.:D

    hehehe….your brother will DISOWN you!! lol.

  610. Billie says:

    teddytennisfanand then when someone like that , that i feel suddenly sentimental for — goes against MY favorite — say NOLE or RAFA …

    I'M GONNA suspend my rooting for EITHER player…i/m gonna root for ''the better player' on that day.

    IF NOLE doesnt play WELL — I'M GONNA root for the player that plays better — namely the ''little guy" – if the little guy doens/'t play well and disappoints — im' gonna root for the better players NOLE. so i'm gonna root for ''who plays and competes better" on that day.

    that's how i basically 'protect' my own emotions, i think. my way of setting aside my ''sentiments' for either player — and become ''dispassionate" for either of them and just for ''good tennis" and ''the better tennis competitor" on that day. tha't show i do it, round by round.

    That's a good attitude Teddy. I, on the other hand, get phone calls and messages from my relatives and friends concerned about my health after a Nole loss.:D

  611. teddytennisfan says:

    BillieTell us how you feel Herios.;-):

    I think he cares and wants to do well and his sometimes questionable attitude is just a young guy's way of deflecting the pressure. You know, I don't care…but it's just posturing. It could be a possibility, how knows.

    i forgot about that — maybe you could be right — that – being so young

    he is also posturing — that kind of thing some young people do — sort of tryign to show they're not moved by what others think…

  612. Billie says:

    teddytennisfani forgot about that — maybe you could be right — that – being so young

    he is also posturing — that kind of thing some young people do — sort of tryign to show they're not moved by what others think…

    Yeah, that's it. I may be wrong, of course, but that's how I feel. We really don't know how he trains and what he does, now do we?

  613. teddytennisfan says:

    BillieThat's a good attitude Teddy. I, on the other hand, get phone calls and messages from my relatives and friends concerned about my health after a Nole loss.:D

    hahaha….oh don't get me wrong. when NOLE, LOSES i really, really get down …if RAFA loses i also really, really get down…

    and THA'TS AFTER i 'rooted for the better player' ''fake neutrality" – of mine…to preserve MYself …

    i have these little games for myhself, really like little calculations

    to sort of ''permit" mseylf to root FOR nadal OVER nole OR nole OVER nadal IF they have to meet?

    how i do it is "

    "let's see — today nadal really NEEDS this win because he has been losing to nole for like forever now — OK go RAFA?" "

    or i see "let's see — NOLE IS STILL SO SAD because he lost AGAIN and his number one status is in danger — so rafa CAN be happy that he's back in the finals again – so GO NOLE!!"

    but this is reserved onloy for NOLE, RAFA, ANDY AND DELPO in my favorites of their generation.

    for others i if ANY of these above players are around — i will ALWAYS root for the above players. lol. because i will say "ok — the other guy had his nice run already — now BACK to my favorites" lol.

    i go like that1 hehe.

  614. herios says:

    BillieTell us how you feel Herios.;-):

    I think he cares and wants to do well and his sometimes questionable attitude is just a young guy's way of deflecting the pressure. You know, I don't care…but it's just posturing. It could be a possibility, how knows.

    Billie, you just want to think positive things about someone, I know you:)
    Here I think you are wrong, have you seen that farce of a match Nick put on when he played Shapovalov in Toronto. That was a shame.
    He did not want to compete.
    And he mentioned many times that he does not like tennis and he will not stay in this sport too long. If he keeps repeating it, it must be true.

  615. teddytennisfan says:

    heriosI am backing here the MacEnroe bros. How do you think Nick can be fit and prepared when e has no coach and no fitness trainer? Hello?
    The guy is not serious about this sport and he wastes his talent and time.
    He will be never a top player in the real sense , like a top 5 or so with this attitude.
    But I am sure we will never find out, because I am almost sure he will quit entirely the sport soon.
    He looks like he does not want to be there Period.

    too bad isn't it? we can always say — because we've all been through growing up years too —

    "he's still looking for what he REALLY WANTS' and just happens to be so talented he's already INSIDE a world class sport level as a professional were most kids his age are still not sure what MAJOR to get in college …or even whether to go to school or work in the store…

    but in HIS case — he needs to ''choose a major" already. and doing that — if he DOES — he MUST commit -including recognition that its NOT all fun – it takes WORK and getting up to exercise and train and listen to advice and guidance and not drinking or whatever…or playing video and texting…

    he EITHER is a TENNIS PLAYER or NOT.

    EVEN the famously 'hedonistic" MARAT SAFIN THAT almost no girl would pass up – disciplined himself ENOUGH – despite his own dislike of ''just practicing" as his mom told him —

    managed to become number one by talent and discipline . and THEN he could choose what he wanted to do..which – he did.

  616. Billie says:

    heriosBillie, you just want to think positive things about someone, I know you:)
    Here I think you are wrong, have you seen that farce of a match Nick put on when he played Shapovalov in Toronto. That was a shame.
    He did not want to compete.
    And he mentioned many times that he does not like tennis and he will not stay in this sport too long. If he keeps repeating it, it must be true.

    I don't know for sure how he is. I might be wrong and he really doesn't care about tennis, I'll concede that. It's not as if I had never been wrong in my life. I didn't see that match in Toronto, and frankly younger generation in general are different than young generations from past times. Half of the stuff my cousins' kids say and do I don't understand. I'll give him a couple more years so he can mature a bit and then cast a final judgement.

  617. teddytennisfan says:
    herios

    Billie, you just want to think positive things about someone, I know you:)
    Here I think you are wrong, have you seen that farce of a match Nick put on when he played Shapovalov in Toronto. That was a shame.
    He did not want to compete.
    And he mentioned many times that he does not like tennis and he will not stay in this sport too long. If he keeps repeating it, it must be true.

    that;s just so nice of BILLIE, IF so.

    maybe we can just hope NICK really finds what he wants — SOON — and then get down to it – if he CAN tell imself he also likes tennis enough to do what it takes, but if not — too bad really ..a real waste.

    it's hihgly conceivable to me that had HE been as OBSESSED as – say nadal or nole orothers about the tennis —

    he MIGHT have already been an ACTUAL majors holder RIGHT NOW.

  618. teddytennisfan says:

    BillieI don't know for sure how he is. I might be wrong and he really doesn't care about tennis, I'll concede that. It's not that I have never been wrong in my life. I didn't see that match in Toronto, and frankly younger generation in general are different than young generations from past times. Half of the stuff my cousins' kids say and do I don't understand. I'll give him a couple more years so he can mature a bit and then cast a final judgement.

    I'/M ALSO inclining that way actually .

    i'll be patient – hope for the best that he might yet discover he LIKES tennis after all — and see what happens in the coming years first.

  619. Billie says:

    teddytennisfanthat;s just so nice of BILLIE, IF so.

    maybe we can just hope NICK really finds what he wants — SOON — and then get down to it – if he CAN tell imself he also likes tennis enough to do what it takes, but if not — too bad really ..a real waste.

    it's hihgly conceivable to me that had HE been as OBSESSED as – say nadal or nole orothers about the tennis —

    he MIGHT have already been an ACTUAL majors holder RIGHT NOW.

    But that is up to him. Why should I care more about it than Nick himself? I take them as they are and what they give to tennis fans. No more and no less. Expectations are always tricky and most times unreal, no matter which player we are talking about.

  620. Billie says:

    heriosBillie, you just want to think positive things about someone, I know you:)
    Here I think you are wrong, have you seen that farce of a match Nick put on when he played Shapovalov in Toronto. That was a shame.
    He did not want to compete.
    And he mentioned many times that he does not like tennis and he will not stay in this sport too long. If he keeps repeating it, it must be true.

    BTW did you see my photos from Toronto? They are in Media section, take a look. There is one of young Donaldson, who beat Fabio in Toronto, and he won a couple of big matches here in New York as well.

  621. Tennis Fan says:

    teddytennisfani don't like wawrinka. so that's the first reason.

    the second — against anyone IF marchenkp can prove himself .

    i'm like that — even against MY top favorites –i'll be able to root against an underdog once i feel ''this guy needs a break and have HIS day in the sun even just once".

    i don't know – but that's how i am. i just like the ''wealth spread" more. hehe. i just like to see more of them with big, big smiles on their faces that they made it ''once" also. u know?

    I ALWAYS keep in mind — i have been ''so successful' in my own way of PICKING my top favorites — like rafa, nole, etc…and before them sampras, steffi…etc…and serena …etc…

    that as a FAN i can ''afford" to see even THESE — big favorites of mine — to lose to an UNKNOWN. but i only want it if it means the unknown can have a really nice day for the rest of his career. something that will make that unknown a real ''star" in his own way.
    and MY b ig favorites — i remind myself "they are already GAZILLIONAIRES…and really competing against themselves and their own records and history….

    so far ABOVE the ''little names". THEY can afford a few hundred thosuand dollars LOSS in a bet…of tennis match — or a loss of another ROUTINE TITLE of majors etc…

    but the little names – IF they can prove themselves for a few matches — could really USE just a little fraction of what is so ORDINARY to the big names…the little names also have families , u know…
    tha'ts how i always did it as a fan of tennis and my own favorites.
    something like that is ALWAYS playing in the back of my mind when i watch tennis. lol..

    i can't help it – i'm sentimental that way.

    That's exactly how I see it too, teddy. Also, it seems silly to wish my favorite gather all of the trophies, accolades, money and endorsements when one win by a lesser known player can give them a memory of a lifetime.

    I don't like Stan either. I'm glad I'm not alone.

  622. Tennis Fan says:

    BillieI am not that sentimental, Todore. I would root for Nole even if he played my brother.:D

    Ha ha ha. That's funny.

  623. Tennis Fan says:

    teddytennisfantoo bad isn't it? we can always say — because we've all been through growing up years too —

    "he's still looking for what he REALLY WANTS' and just happens to be so talented he's already INSIDE a world class sport level as a professional were most kids his age are still not sure what MAJOR to get in college …or even whether to go to school or work in the store…

    but in HIS case — he needs to ''choose a major" already. and doing that — if he DOES — he MUST commit -including recognition that its NOT all fun – it takes WORK and getting up to exercise and train and listen to advice and guidance and not drinking or whatever…or playing video and texting…

    he EITHER is a TENNIS PLAYER or NOT.

    EVEN the famously 'hedonistic" MARAT SAFIN THAT almost no girl would pass up – disciplined himself ENOUGH – despite his own dislike of ''just practicing" as his mom told him —

    managed to become number one by talent and discipline . and THEN he could choose what he wanted to do..which – he did.

    That's a great example and people loved and respected him despite his bad boys ways.

  624. Mastoor says:

    BillieYeah, that's it. I may be wrong, of course, but that's how I feel. We really don't know how he trains and what he does, now do we?

    You know what he tells us and that is that he doesn't practice more than twice a week. So we can compare to No1e's 2, Rafa's 6 and Fed's 9 hours every day.

  625. Mastoor says:

    Tennis FanHa ha ha. That's funny.

    She said that only because she has a sister, if she had a brother I'm sure she would root for him.

  626. teddytennisfan says:

    BillieBut that is up to him. Why should I care more about it than Nick himself? I take them as they are and what they give to tennis fans. No more and no less. Expectations are always tricky and most times unreal, no matter which player we are talking about.

    very well said — i think we are always reminding ourselves of one siomple fact>

    we MAY be ''invested" in our players for one or other reason – but at the end of the day?

    they don't even KNOW us!! lol. we're just fans. and they couldn't really care less because what the do – like any of us would do – is for themselves –

    tha'ts nothing 'being 'selfish'

    itis just what life is like. it's THEIR way of earning a living – lots and lots of money and fame and they work hard at it – just like anyone has to – going to the office or man the store or whatever one has to do .

    but THEY are players – we are fans of the sport and the players.

    but their lives are not ours – and THEY wouldn't exchagne theirs for OURS — that' is sure – lol.

    so – indeed – at the end of the day — we can't forget this.

  627. teddytennisfan says:

    Tennis FanThat's exactly how I see it too, teddy. Also, it seems silly to wish my favorite gather all of the trophies, accolades, money and endorsements when one win by a lesser known player can give them a memory of a lifetime.

    I don't like Stan either. I'm glad I'm not alone.

    dont get me wrong — i don't resent any of stan's/ or any of their success – that's them – uknow. who am I to discuss what they deserve? they work for it and that's their means of earning a living –

    stand has his daughter to support, etc..roger has had his dreams of glory, same as rafa and nole and andy — they just exist ina world that gives such huge rewards IF they are lucky to have talent, the right families and support around them – the places to grow and train and find opportunities in – the right opponents on any given day, the right SHOT at the crucial time..blahl blah, blah…

    BUT as fan — i have MY OWN PERSONAL tastes that are part of being a fan of 'anything" – knowing that i have my preferences..

    and stan i just never really felt warm to, but tha'ts my business and also my failure maybe. maybe i just don't see in him what makes others admire his playing or his presence or whatever it is.

    GOOD for him that he emerged from udner ''my dear friend roger's" shadow — – but i still don't like him, lol.

    can i really fullye xplain , inspite of all i say — as to why i just LIKE nole? or rafa/ or andy etc? and knowing there are people who list their 'dislike' of the same people? same way i dislike some wawrinka but others like him?

    in that sense — i am not different from any other tennis fan, no better and hopefully no worse. i just have my own bag of players i like better than other.s and iam HAPPY about that. lol.

  628. britbox britbox says:

    Results from the U.S. Open Men's Singles Round 3 matches on Saturday
    Illya Marchenko (Ukraine) beat 14-Nick Kyrgios (Australia) 4-6 6-4 6-1 0-0 (Kyrgios retired)
    Juan Martin Del Potro (Argentina) beat 11-David Ferrer (Spain) 7-6(3) 6-2 6-3
    22-Grigor Dimitrov (Bulgaria) beat Joao Sousa (Portugal) 6-4 6-1 3-6 6-2
    8-Dominic Thiem (Austria) beat Pablo Carreno (Spain) 1-6 6-4 6-4 7-5
    21-Ivo Karlovic (Croatia) beat Jared Donaldson (U.S.) 6-4 7-6(3) 6-3
    3-Stanislas Wawrinka (Switzerland) beat Daniel Evans (Britain) 4-6 6-3 6-7(6) 7-6(8) 6-2
    6-Kei Nishikori (Japan) beat Nicolas Mahut (France) 4-6 6-1 6-2 6-2
    2-Andy Murray (Britain) beat Paolo Lorenzi (Italy) 7-6(4) 5-7 6-2 6-3

  629. britbox britbox says:

    Juan Martin Del Potro (Argentina) beat 11-David Ferrer (Spain) 7-6(3) 6-2 6-3

  630. Mastoor says:

    No1e played first 3 games against Youzhny very numberonely before he learned of the injury, so there can't be anything wrong with him. It was also nice to see him practicing at Ashe after the match in front of the many fans happy to stay.

    Rafa showed flashes of his old self, so I think the semifinal between the two will be a final before the final. it will be also the best match within the rivalry in last couple of years.

    Saw Murray against Lorenzi and i don't think anyone was impressed.

  631. britbox britbox says:

    21-Ivo Karlovic (Croatia) beat Jared Donaldson (U.S.) 6-4 7-6(3) 6-3

  632. britbox britbox says:

    2-Andy Murray (Britain) beat Paolo Lorenzi (Italy) 7-6(4) 5-7 6-2 6-3

  633. britbox britbox says:

    8-Dominic Thiem (Austria) beat Pablo Carreno (Spain) 1-6 6-4 6-4 7-5

  634. britbox britbox says:

    6-Kei Nishikori (Japan) beat Nicolas Mahut (France) 4-6 6-1 6-2 6-2

  635. britbox britbox says:

    Illya Marchenko (Ukraine) beat 14-Nick Kyrgios (Australia) 4-6 6-4 6-1 0-0 (Kyrgios retired)

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd4m0NKvDzg%5D

  636. britbox britbox says:

    3-Stanislas Wawrinka (Switzerland) beat Daniel Evans (Britain) 4-6 6-3 6-7(6) 7-6(8) 6-2

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AbdZx-FwAU%5D

  637. teddytennisfan says:

    BillieBut that is up to him. Why should I care more about it than Nick himself? I take them as they are and what they give to tennis fans. No more and no less. Expectations are always tricky and most times unreal, no matter which player we are talking about.

    u know you just made a GREAT reminder – we all really need it:

    expectations can be unreal..indeed. we have to keep that in mind.
    sometimes , or maybe even all the time – it CAN be unfair even towards our players – including those we like.

    theya re after all – despite all that very oimpresive thing they do that we can only dream of — still just human beings. they have to go to sleep , eat, get sick and not feel so well every day…and perform so as to win what they want — and have to do it in public

    while WE think they SHOULD do this and that….we become SPOILED in sense..we're not satisfied that someone – ROGER

    got 17 majors because no one thought anyone could – and now we think rafa or nole SHOULD if ''they are to be as great or successful". and winning 14 by rafa or sampras is no longer ''enough" — we see players win all four majors in their generation that used to be so much harder – and we now expect 'big talents' to do it in their careers or ELSE …

    and yet AGAIN — turning around – we think that because someone WON 2 MAJORS in the 'era of players who win everything" — THAT person is already such a great, great, great player than those in previous era…

    in a sense WE – as fans are not only spoiled in a sense — but unrealistic also — wanting players to do things we can't be bothered to try…lol.
    i've learned one thing though – in a small way – that i think helps me ENJOY being a tennis fan in general and as a fan of my favorite players…

    i remind mysel.f to root for my players – one season at a time.

    worry about it and then take it as it comes..if they win, they win GREAT…IF they lose – well – even they can't win everything..and others too are trying to win and have their share. so i'll be happy for them and in fact TRY to share in it — and see how they are so happy about it – and imagine how it must be such a life-changer for THEM and their families and friends too.

    i always look at it that way ..maybe it's what i learned from following all these players all these years.

    but DURING matches when i watch — i am then just as fascinated by their shot-making — or at least one of the players if i choose to take the time to watch A tennis match at all — and then it all becomes about THAT BALL …THIS BEAUTIFUL AMAZING SPORT we all love – called TENNIS.

  638. teddytennisfan says:

    britboxIllya Marchenko (Ukraine) beat 14-Nick Kyrgios (Australia) 4-6 6-4 6-1 0-0 (Kyrgios retired)

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd4m0NKvDzg%5D

    SO happy for this ILYA. he deserves a chance at another round.

  639. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    3-Stanislas Wawrinka (Switzerland) beat Daniel Evans (Britain) 4-6 6-3 6-7(6) 7-6(8) 6-2

    STAN will be a TOUGH player for sure — the others , including NOLE AND RAFA AND ANDY AND DELPO better be on their best performance if they match up with Stan.

  640. Mastoor says:

    teddytennisfanSTAN will be a TOUGH player for sure — the others , including NOLE AND RAFA AND ANDY AND DELPO better be on their best performance if they match up with Stan.

    How is Wawrinka tough if he had to play 5 sets against a who? guy?

  641. teddytennisfan says:
    Mastoor

    How is Wawrinka tough if he had to play 5 sets against a who? guy?

    Hehe. i did forget about THAT. I think i've also fallen into that assessment of him among commentators as one of the ''masters" for being now a two major holder and with some of his wins against nole rafa and roger.

    but yea — good question by you indeed.

  642. britbox britbox says:

    Sunday on the Showcourts (Order of Play)

    Arthur Ashe Stadium

    11 AM ET

    13-Johanna Konta (Britain) v Anastasija Sevastova (Latvia)
    8-Madison Keys (U.S.) v Caroline Wozniacki (Denmark)
    4-Rafa Nadal (Spain) v 24-Lucas Pouille (France)

    7 PM ET

    14-Petra Kvitova (Czech Republic) v 2-Angelique Kerber (Germany)
    1-Novak Djokovic (Serbia) v Kyle Edmund (Britain)

    Louis Armstrong Stadium

    11 AM ET

    7-Roberta Vinci (Italy) v Lesia Tsurenko (Ukraine)
    9-Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (France) v 26-Jack Sock (U.S.)

    Grandstand

    11 AM ET

    10-Gael Monfils (France) v Marcos Baghdatis (Cyprus)

  643. britbox britbox says:

    MastoorHow is Wawrinka tough if he had to play 5 sets against a who? guy?

    Stan seems to get tough when makes semis and finals… he's a bit flaky up to that point. I think he's won the last 9 finals he's been in.

  644. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    JACK SOCK ABOUT TO GO TO MEET JO WILFRIED TSONGA!!
    MONFILS showing that long-awaited maturity if only he can continue.

    looks like the second week is even more promising with top quality talents — both the GREATS AND HIGH ACHIEVERS AND THE

    ''we wish they had done more already" guys.

    PLUS a few nice ''they're good too and have a chance"

  645. Tennis Fan says:
    Mastoor

    She said that only because she has a sister, if she had a brother I'm sure she would root for him.

    Thanks for the intel, Mastoor. She got me that time. I thought, "Wow, she really is a fan. What an uproar that would cause within the family."

  646. Tennis Fan says:
    teddytennisfan

    very well said — i think we are always reminding ourselves of one siomple fact>

    we MAY be ''invested" in our players for one or other reason – but at the end of the day?

    they don't even KNOW us!! lol. we're just fans. and they couldn't really care less because what the do – like any of us would do – is for themselves –

    tha'ts nothing 'being 'selfish'

    itis just what life is like. it's THEIR way of earning a living – lots and lots of money and fame and they work hard at it – just like anyone has to – going to the office or man the store or whatever one has to do .

    but THEY are players – we are fans of the sport and the players.

    but their lives are not ours – and THEY wouldn't exchagne theirs for OURS — that' is sure – lol.

    so – indeed – at the end of the day — we can't forget this.

    True. I like my players. I want them to win all the time. I know that's not going to happen so I don't get disappointed if they lose. They're not the only players on tour and everyone deserves a break for all of the hard work they put in as well.

    And that's so true, they're the players, we're the fans, they don't know us from Adam and it's very unlikely that they would care what we think anyway. I think the best way is to like who you like, respect everyone and just keep it moving. It's really not that deep to me.

  647. Tennis Fan says:

    teddytennisfandont get me wrong — i don't resent any of stan's/ or any of their success – that's them – uknow. who am I to discuss what they deserve? they work for it and that's their means of earning a living –

    stand has his daughter to support, etc..roger has had his dreams of glory, same as rafa and nole and andy — they just exist ina world that gives such huge rewards IF they are lucky to have talent, the right families and support around them – the places to grow and train and find opportunities in – the right opponents on any given day, the right SHOT at the crucial time..blahl blah, blah…

    BUT as fan — i have MY OWN PERSONAL tastes that are part of being a fan of 'anything" – knowing that i have my preferences..

    and stan i just never really felt warm to, but tha'ts my business and also my failure maybe. maybe i just don't see in him what makes others admire his playing or his presence or whatever it is.

    GOOD for him that he emerged from udner ''my dear friend roger's" shadow — – but i still don't like him, lol.

    can i really fullye xplain , inspite of all i say — as to why i just LIKE nole? or rafa/ or andy etc? and knowing there are people who list their 'dislike' of the same people? same way i dislike some wawrinka but others like him?

    in that sense — i am not different from any other tennis fan, no better and hopefully no worse. i just have my own bag of players i like better than other.s and iam HAPPY about that. lol.

    Nope. I didn't think that. I don't resent anyone's success or cheer on anyone's downfall either. Everyone belongs to someone, they're humans, they have families and loved ones who care about them. I would hate for people to be dogging my son out when they don't know a darn thing about him.

    Who we like is subjective and isn't always based on human rationale. Two players can do the exact same things and we'll like one and not the other. It's intrinsic. Like you, some players I just don't warm up to, but I don't dog them out either. If I'm not fond of them I might mention it once, but I'm not going to go on a spree dogging them out either. Good for Stan for coming out of Roger's shadow, he was too talented not too, so he did, and I'm cool with that. He just wouldn't be the horse I'll be rooting for. I understand exactly what you're saying and I also don't see you dogging players out. Not warming up to someone isn't a crime; it's a preference.

    I remember people dogging Caroline out for being #1 without a major. Who cares? She obviously did enough to get the #1 spot, so in my mind she deserved it.

  648. Tennis Fan says:
    Mastoor

    No1e played first 3 games against Youzhny very numberonely before he learned of the injury, so there can't be anything wrong with him. It was also nice to see him practicing at Ashe after the match in front of the many fans happy to stay.

    Rafa showed flashes of his old self, so I think the semifinal between the two will be a final before the final. it will be also the best match within the rivalry in last couple of years.

    Saw Murray against Lorenzi and i don't think anyone was impressed.

    That was really nice of him to practice for the fans. Hopefully that way they didn't feel cheated.

    I think/hope the SF clash will be good if they both make it, but there are still so many variables involved.

    I was puzzled by Andy's performance. I knew he would win, but it felt like he was on autopilot; not engaged at all. Maybe it was hard to get up for Lorenzi and he had a hard time keeping his intensity, but it was one of the strangest matches I've seen Murray play.

  649. Tennis Fan says:
    teddytennisfan

    u know you just made a GREAT reminder – we all really need it:

    expectations can be unreal..indeed. we have to keep that in mind.
    sometimes , or maybe even all the time – it CAN be unfair even towards our players – including those we like.

    theya re after all – despite all that very oimpresive thing they do that we can only dream of — still just human beings. they have to go to sleep , eat, get sick and not feel so well every day…and perform so as to win what they want — and have to do it in public

    while WE think they SHOULD do this and that….we become SPOILED in sense..we're not satisfied that someone – ROGER

    got 17 majors because no one thought anyone could – and now we think rafa or nole SHOULD if ''they are to be as great or successful". and winning 14 by rafa or sampras is no longer ''enough" — we see players win all four majors in their generation that used to be so much harder – and we now expect 'big talents' to do it in their careers or ELSE …

    and yet AGAIN — turning around – we think that because someone WON 2 MAJORS in the 'era of players who win everything" — THAT person is already such a great, great, great player than those in previous era…

    in a sense WE – as fans are not only spoiled in a sense — but unrealistic also — wanting players to do things we can't be bothered to try…lol.
    i've learned one thing though – in a small way – that i think helps me ENJOY being a tennis fan in general and as a fan of my favorite players…

    i remind mysel.f to root for my players – one season at a time.

    worry about it and then take it as it comes..if they win, they win GREAT…IF they lose – well – even they can't win everything..and others too are trying to win and have their share. so i'll be happy for them and in fact TRY to share in it — and see how they are so happy about it – and imagine how it must be such a life-changer for THEM and their families and friends too.

    i always look at it that way ..maybe it's what i learned from following all these players all these years.

    but DURING matches when i watch — i am then just as fascinated by their shot-making — or at least one of the players if i choose to take the time to watch A tennis match at all — and then it all becomes about THAT BALL …THIS BEAUTIFUL AMAZING SPORT we all love – called TENNIS.

    Lovely post. When I first started watching tennis I used to feel that way; experience highs and lows, but now, after decades of watching it I can no longer wreak emotional havoc on my emotions. I know that there are cycles, sometimes my player is up, and sometimes he's down. I take it all with a grain of salt, after all, it's not me and when the match is over I still have to go back to my reality. Now, I enjoy the game more because there is no more stress or anticipation over things that I cannot change.

  650. brokenshoelace says:

    Nadal moving and defending better than I've seen him in a long time. And it's good to see him move closer to the baseline on the second serve return. He's also not standing as wide when he's serving from the ad court (although he almost literally never went up the middle). But the forehand is just… ugh. He's taking so much racket-head speed off when he's going for his shots… It's gotten better this set. Let's see if he steps it up in the third.

  651. brokenshoelace says:

    That break point he lost highlights my point. He got a super short slice to his forehand side and he literally just guided it down the line. It was legit hit with less intensity than a practice shot. He paid for it and lost the point. His tentativeness when not feeling good about his game is probably my biggest frustration with Rafa as a fan.

  652. britbox britbox says:

    Good hold by Rafa in the last game to stay in touch.

  653. Billie says:

    I am impressed with this young Pouille. Isabelle must be loving this USO, Gael and Jo-Willy already in the quarters and another is giving Rafa all he can handle. Great backhand, had a lot of clean winners off of that side. Can Rafa stage a come-back?

  654. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Good hold by Rafa in the last game to stay in touch.

    britbox

    Good hold by Rafa in the last game to stay in touch.

    but dear RAFA Is in real trouble from this POUILLE.. the frenchman is very smart!! and is flying with confidence with real hands on the racket!! wow.

    one thing i was watching for is what Brokenshoelace pointed out about the serves and the forehand – the forehand does lack that ''look" of heavily flying through the air…and seems to bounce off too lightly — but not fast enough off the court – is that what it means ''lacking in spin?" and so makes it easier for the other player to hit it back with control?

  655. teddytennisfan says:
    brokenshoelace

    That break point he lost highlights my point. He got a super short slice to his forehand side and he literally just guided it down the line. It was legit hit with less intensity than a practice shot. He paid for it and lost the point. His tentativeness when not feeling good about his game is probably my biggest frustration with Rafa as a fan.

    Brokensholace — i have been trying to learn more from what you described about the weaker forehand topspin? is that wha tit means? to me it looks like when it flies it doesn't look like the older one where the ball looks like it is weighty object – today it looks like just a ''flat'' ball that looks too high in the air and easy for the opponent to hit back…

  656. teddytennisfan says:

    uuuyyyy 2 sets down…my , my. RAFA better get really going here.

    Pouille is playing really well!

  657. Billie says:

    Tennis FanThanks for the intel, Mastoor. She got me that time. I thought, "Wow, she really is a fan. What an uproar that would cause within the family."

    Ha Mastoor is a party pooper.:D

    I was just joking, although we do call our uncles' and aunts' kids brothers and sisters, their kids nieces and nephews. I still can't figure out the names of the relations in English, 1st, 2nd cousin, etc. We have different names for each member of a family, including in-laws.

  658. Billie says:

    teddytennisfanuuuyyyy 2 sets down…my , my. RAFA better get really going here.

    Pouille is playing really well!

    Time for some heavy cheering, Todore!!!! Rafa really looks in trouble. 🙁

    I remember Pouille from Wimbledon. The commentators here reminded me that he was a lucky loser in Rome and because Tsonga withdrew, Pouille made it to the draw and went all the way to the semi final before losing to Andy. Then he made another breakthrough at Wimbledon getting to the quarters there. And he is seeded here. It's been quite a rise for him in the last several months.

  659. teddytennisfan says:
    Billie

    Time for some heavy cheering, Todore!!!! Rafa really looks in trouble. 🙁

    I remember Pouille from Wimbledon. The commentators here reminded me that he was a lucky loser in Rome and because Tsonga withdrew, Pouille made it to the draw and went all the way to the semi final before losing to Andy. Then he made another breakthrough at Wimbledon getting to the quarters there. And he is seeded here. It's been quite a rise for him in the last several months.

    YES — RAFA!!! GET back those TOPSPINS!! AND that SERVE! HE knows how to do it – RAFA needs to dig deep!

  660. teddytennisfan says:

    the french always come up with the most surprising players!

  661. teddytennisfan says:
    Billie

    Ha Mastoor is a party pooper.:D

    I was just joking, although we do call our uncles' and aunts' kids brothers and sisters, their kids nieces and nephews. I still can't figure out the names of the relations in English, 1st, 2nd cousin, etc. We have different names for each member of a family, including in-laws.

    that is just so amazing to me!! love things like that!!

  662. teddytennisfan says:

    RAFA NEEDS to bring this to 5 sets!

  663. Billie says:

    Tsonga is in ESPN studio watching this match and waiting for his interview.:)

  664. teddytennisfan says:

    maybe RAFA is finally READING Pouille's ball direction better now.

    deuce.
    TSONGA LOOKS NICE in his interview.

  665. Billie says:

    teddytennisfanthat is just so amazing to me!! love things like that!!

    Yep, my father's sister or brother has a different name than my mother's sister or brother, including their husbands and wives.

  666. Billie says:

    teddytennisfanmaybe RAFA is finally READING Pouille's ball direction better now.

    deuce.
    TSONGA LOOKS NICE in his interview.

    I don't think anybody dislikes Tsonga.:yes:

  667. teddytennisfan says:
    Billie

    Tsonga is in ESPN studio watching this match and waiting for his interview.:)

    there was an article a few years ago – it was about a certain modern system of testing player's athletic bodily qualities — things like speed, reflect, eye-hand, muscle twitch, etc…like a very advanced system – and they said many tennis players are checked with that — and according to them –

    the ONE Player that scored very high in whatever categories was TSONGA…LIKE considered the naturally most ideal athlete.

  668. teddytennisfan says:
    Billie

    Yep, my father's sister or brother has a different name than my mother's sister or brother, including their husbands and wives.

    that's just amazing!! slavic must be such a RICH language…i wish i learned it long ago !!

  669. teddytennisfan says:

    YESS!!!! RAFA coming back a bit more!! bring it to four now, RAFA!!

  670. Billie says:

    That was a very good hold by Rafa, considering he was down 0:30.

  671. teddytennisfan says:

    BillieI don't think anybody dislikes Tsonga.:yes:

    HE iS very charming guy..and of course wonderful tennis and athlete.
    just everyone's frustration that he really should have won a major already.

    i guess it's that old description of the French players — so much talent and variety — just a little funny in the head. lol.

  672. Billie says:

    Pouille double faults on a break point and those are nerves. Rafa will take it, gladly!!! Here we go, Rafa is ahead in this set.

  673. Billie says:

    That last point was brilliant from Pouille, but each player is tense. Back on serve. Goodness me. I have no clue how this will end up.

  674. britbox britbox says:

    Good ole ESPN2.. cut to a commercial break on break point.

  675. britbox britbox says:

    Pouille breaks back.