Murray, Nadal, Nishikori and Del Potro form Semi-Final Quartet in Rio.

britboxAuthor: britbox
Date: August 13, 2016

A mouth watering quartet of Andy Murray, Rafael Nadal, Kei Nishikori and Juan Del Potro will do battle in the Olympic Semi-Finals of the Men’s Singles in Rio De Janeiro.

Nishikori of Japan looked down and out before staging an epic comeback to defeat Gael Monfils of France 7-6(4) 4-6 7-6(6).  Monfils held three match points in the deciding tiebreak. “I thought I had nothing to lose from 6-3 down,” said Nishikori, who is looking for his first Olympic medal. Monfils couldn’t close the deal and Nishikori won five consecutive points to take a semi-final berth.

Britain’s Andy Murray will face Nishikori after defeating America’s Steve Johnson in another tough match.  Murray cantered to a first set bagel of the big serving American before Johnson got into the match and took the second set to level up proceedings.  The final set went to a deciding tiebreak and the defending Olympic champion had to galvanise his reserves to take it comprehensively 7-2.

The 2008 Singles champion, Spain’s Rafael Nadal looked in trouble against Brazilian local Thomaz Bellucci.  Nadal dropped the first set 2-6 before clawing his way back to take the second set and ensure a deciding frame. Bellucci, roared on by a partisan crowd couldn’t live up to his end of the bargain and Nadal ran out a 6-2 winner in the final stanza.

Juan Martin Del Potro booked a semi-final showdown with Nadal by defeating Nadal’s countryman Roberto Bautista Agut in two tightly contested sets 7-5 7-6(4).

The Argentine has spent large parts of the last few years with wrist injury problems and ironically he meets an opponent who has been struggling with similar issues.

Semi Final Matches

Andy Murray (2) v Kei Nishikori (4)

H2H: Murray leads 6-1.

2015 Canadian Masters SF Hard Andy Murray Kei Nishikori 6-3 6-0
2015 Madrid Masters SF Clay Andy Murray Kei Nishikori 6-3 6-4
2014 ATP World Tour Finals 11 Hard Kei Nishikori Andy Murray 6-4 6-4
2013 Brisbane SF Hard Andy Murray Kei Nishikori 6-4 2-0 Retired
2012 Australian Open QF Hard Andy Murray Kei Nishikori 6-3 6-3 6-1
2011 Shanghai Masters SF Hard Andy Murray Kei Nishikori 6-3 6-0


Rafael Nadal (3) v Juan Martin Del Potro

H2H: Nadal leads 8-4

2013 Shanghai Masters SF Hard Juan Martin Del Potro Rafael Nadal 6-2 6-4
2013 Indian Wells Masters F Hard Rafael Nadal Juan Martin Del Potro 4-6 6-3 6-4
2011 Spain v Argentina – DC WG – F 0 Clay Rafael Nadal Juan Martin Del Potro 1-6 6-4 6-1 7-6(0)
2011 Wimbledon R16 Grass Rafael Nadal Juan Martin Del Potro 7-6(6) 3-6 7-6(4) 6-4
2011 Madrid Masters R16 Clay Rafael Nadal Juan Martin Del Potro WO
2011 Indian Wells Masters SF Hard Rafael Nadal Juan Martin Del Potro 6-4 6-4
2009 US Open SF Hard Juan Martin Del Potro Rafael Nadal 6-2 6-2 6-2
2009 Canadian Masters QF Hard Juan Martin Del Potro Rafael Nadal 7-6(5) 6-1
2009 Miami Masters QF Hard Juan Martin Del Potro Rafael Nadal 6-4 3-6 7-6(3)
2009 Indian Wells Masters QF Hard Rafael Nadal Juan Martin Del Potro 6-2 6-4
2007 Queen’s R32 Grass Rafael Nadal Juan Martin Del Potro 6-4 6-4
2007 FO – RG R128 Clay Rafael Nadal Juan Martin Del Potro 7-5 6-3 6-2
2007 Miami Masters R16 Hard Rafael Nadal Juan Martin Del Potro 6-0 6-4


Results Wire

4-Kei Nishikori (Japan) beat 6-Gael Monfils (France) 7-6(4) 4-6 7-6(6)
Juan Martin Del Potro (Argentina) beat 10-Roberto Bautista (Spain) 7-5 7-6(4)
3-Rafa Nadal (Spain) beat Thomaz Bellucci (Brazil) 2-6 6-4 6-2
2-Andy Murray (Britain) beat 12-Steve Johnson (U.S.) 6-0 4-6 7-6(2)

Photo by shinya

Comments

98 thoughts on “Murray, Nadal, Nishikori and Del Potro form Semi-Final Quartet in Rio.”

  1. isabelle says:

    can't wait to see those matches

    1. teddytennisfan says:

      me too Isabelle. my gosh — what a barnstormer each of these match-ups might turn out. each of them also had to REALLY earn their slots. isn't it? andy nearly was in loss trouble . Delpo had to dig out his best against the unheralded young japanese kid.. rafa certainly had has hands full with his fellow leftie kei at match point. i mean EACH literally almost LOST! wow!

  2. teddytennisfan says:

    SUPERB write-ups and summaries by OWEN, by the way!

  3. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:
    isabelle

    can't wait to see those matches

    Who are you picking @isabelle ?

  4. Moxie says:

    Maybe this is a bit sentimental, but Juan and Kei would be such heroes in their respective countries if they won. I'll root for Rafa, but I don't think he can win today.

  5. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    ^ True, but I differ with you on whether Rafa can win… The final four are all made of glass right now – even Murray. I think any one of the four can win it. Rafa is running on fumes and might have had the edge taken off him having secured gold in the doubles… but we've seen him come through before when you'd think the gas tank was empty. Delpo always looked gassed, even when he isn't.

    I think it's a crapshoot… almost a lottery on who takes the title. I think Kei beats Delpo, Rafa beats Kei, Murray/Rafa – 50/50 although personally I'd lean towards Rafa in a 5 set match with Murray (final is 5 sets), Murray beats Delpo, Delpo might take out Rafa in the semis…

    Lots of ifs and buts… and very hard to predict.

  6. Carol says:

    It's not the same to "look" gassed than to be like Rafa is after to play so many matches and yesterday after to get the doubles GM I bet that he almost couldn't sleep being so much exciting :yahoo:. But I hope to be wrong ;-):

  7. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Maybe this is a bit sentimental, but Juan and Kei would be such heroes in their respective countries if they won. I'll root for Rafa, but I don't think he can win today.

    ooooohhhh!!! wasn't MURRAY JUST amazing? COOL GAME — if HOT-HEAD!! hehe…

    KEI tried what he could but ANDY was just a CLASS better, imo.
    now delpo and rafa are INTENSE!!

  8. teddytennisfan says:
    Carol

    It's not the same to "look" gassed than to be like Rafa is after to play so many matches and yesterday after to get the doubles GM I bet that he almost couldn't sleep being so much exciting :yahoo:. But I hope to be wrong ;-):

    WHOEVER WINS — what is amazing, even unbelievable , is how both delpo and rafa are playing SO BRILLIANTLY
    AFTER very , very long breaks and injury setbacks — on very LITTLE real practice!!

    i am just AWED by BOTH of them! it's like i DON'T want either to WIN bwcause the other one will lose?!!!

    i am SO torn!!

  9. teddytennisfan says:
    isabelle

    can't wait to see those matches

    CAN someone please ask RIO OLYMPICS TO JUST AWARD DELPO AND RAFA HONORARY GOLDS

    AND GIVE ANDY TWO GOLDS AS REPEAT CHAMP?

    PLEASE?

    i don't want any of them to LOSE!! just because they each — all 3 of them — have shown SUCH AMAZING, AMAZING brilliance they SO deserve gold!!

  10. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    ^ True, but I differ with you on whether Rafa can win… The final four are all made of glass right now – even Murray. I think any one of the four can win it. Rafa is running on fumes and might have had the edge taken off him having secured gold in the doubles… but we've seen him come through before when you'd think the gas tank was empty. Delpo always looked gassed, even when he isn't.

    I think it's a crapshoot… almost a lottery on who takes the title. I think Kei beats Delpo, Rafa beats Kei, Murray/Rafa – 50/50 although personally I'd lean towards Rafa in a 5 set match with Murray (final is 5 sets), Murray beats Delpo, Delpo might take out Rafa in the semis…

    Lots of ifs and buts… and very hard to predict.

    EVEN andy , Britbox?

    sure – even he lost sets…but the way andy comes back each time — to my eye anyway — seemed to look so much more ''cool'' than delpo's or nadal's ''comebacks".

    somehow i feel that andy has juuuussssttt that tiny edge over either delpo and rafa…

    although it's hard to say what rafa will step up to if he wins today…we know rafa ISN'T awed by andy at all and has a big career match lead between them.

    but still – andy just seems a bit more ''gold prepared" – the way it looks to me.

  11. teddytennisfan says:

    just wild guessing — how do you see the alternate match-ups?

    ANDY -RAFA
    ANDY – DELPO?

    let's look at it from the point of ANDY as the ''guy to knock off the king's chair"
    which CHALLENGER has a better chance, you think?

    i have a hard time figuring this one out. in terms of style match-ups.
    this is SO exciting — it's a pity the posters in that overly-controlled Tennis.com haven't ALL MIGRATED HERE!!! BRITBOX has a far better website!

  12. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Maybe this is a bit sentimental, but Juan and Kei would be such heroes in their respective countries if they won. I'll root for Rafa, but I don't think he can win today.

    it ain't over til it's over – Carol.
    DELPO CAN be occasionally down at critical times against rafa who NEVER gives up.

    that can make a difference , u know.

  13. teddytennisfan says:

    oh my GOODNESS!!

    ONE SET APIECE!! OH MY!!! delpo and rafa sure KNOW how to give people their money's worth , dont' they? !!

  14. Moxie says:

    What a match. What a battle. You're right the people are getting their money's worth, Teddy!

  15. MargaretMcAleer says:

    That was Vintage Rafa he breaks……………….RAFA!

  16. Twisted says:

    Massive DP choking 🙁

  17. Moxie says:

    You can't say Rafa's not fighting for it. Murray's in his hotel laughing.

  18. Twisted says:

    5 UE's from 0-40. This will be a break at love to lose it.

  19. Twisted says:

    I'm glad to see DP make it to a semi-big match again, I just don't think we will see him make much noise again at this point. Pretty poor stuff from him in this match.

  20. Twisted says:

    Surprised to see such a good service game. Still edge to Nadal in this TB

  21. Twisted says:

    Wow, tough way to lose for Rafa. Played tough near the end of the 3rd but a really bad miss to end it.

  22. Twisted says:

    Happy for DP, battled the nerves at the end, but going to be tough to recover and play a best of 5.

  23. Moxie says:

    Happy for Juan, but still disappointed for Rafa, who dug really deep in this one. I didn't believe he'd have that much left today. A lot of heart. I hope Del Potro gets the gold.

  24. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieWhat a match. What a battle. You're right the people are getting their money's worth, Teddy!

    my good lord– MOXIE — what did we all just see?

    SAD FOR RAFA!! he tried his best and was on the cusp of another GOLD battle – agianst the defending champ. and rafa has been improving each match
    !

    but DELPO really earned this one — and in a way so HARD to imagine even after defeating NOLE!

    SO great to see HIM also reach this height again!

    i CRIED TOO! LOL

    wow wowowowow

  25. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Happy for Juan, but still disappointed for Rafa, who dug really deep in this one. I didn't believe he'd have that much left today. A lot of heart. I hope Del Potro gets the gold.

    CAN YOU JUST IMAGINE — if delpo can hold on – raise the game a bit more — and recover with good, fresh, enduring energy?

    IF he manages to take his own OLYMPIC GOLD over andy

    it literally makes DELPO arguably the GREATEST OLYMPIC GOLD TENNIS CHAMP since it started…

    BECAUSE this is taking down TWO of the last consecutive champions near or at the top of their games! AS well as the world's Number one player..

    and done in such ''short notice" from his own injuries. and lack of tour matches.

  26. teddytennisfan says:
    Twisted

    Happy for DP, battled the nerves at the end, but going to be tough to recover and play a best of 5.

    definitely ANDY will be a VERY tall order to take down in a best of five ..

    let's see what they bring out tomorrow

    i can NOT wait!!!!

    can we somehow JUMP OFF the planet and PUSH it to turn 24 hours ahead? lol!!

  27. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieHappy for Juan, but still disappointed for Rafa, who dug really deep in this one. I didn't believe he'd have that much left today. A lot of heart. I hope Del Potro gets the gold.

    MOXIE — here we go — MISS PUERTO RICO and MISS GERMANY!! hehe.

  28. teddytennisfan says:

    oh my — you're all seeing this too !!

    break, return of break — and PUIG looks UN-intimidated by world number 2 kerber! AND closes her 2-1 game quite confidently., i am very impressed with monica. puig.

  29. Tennis Fan says:

    teddytennisfanoh my — you're all seeing this too !!

    break, return of break — and PUIG looks UN-intimidated by world number 2 kerber! AND closes her 2-1 game quite confidently., i am very impressed with monica. puig.

    Me too. I like her. I started watching her last summer and was so impressed with her heart. I like players like that.

  30. teddytennisfan says:

    oh my gooozzzzziiinnnessss!!! MONICA is half-way to a GOLD OLYMPICS oh my !!

  31. teddytennisfan says:

    Tennis FanMe too. I like her. I started watching her last summer and was so impressed with her heart. I like players like that.

    amazing — i mean ANGELIQUE too has been such a wonderful playuer, competitor and personality …and she's now world number 2, knocking on number one if serena isn't capable of holding on –

    a majors holder champ herself, the finalist in wimbledon.
    and one of the best athletes known for her full court movement…although now seemingly feeling strain…

    BUT MONICA deserves getting that first set because it's also partly HER responses to force kerber to play a certain way.

    if monica pulls this off – my , my. what a great thing for HER — but ALSO for the folks in that beautiful island PUERTO RICO!!! wow!

    i've been to puerto rico so man years ago — when a friend invited me to visit and stay with his family — oh boy — it was so great – i DIDN'T want to get back to the USA mainland! lol.

  32. teddytennisfan says:

    amazing — ANGELIQUE continues to battle and even has break point! wow

    15-40 so deep hole there for monica — she might ge tbroken ..yes — KERBER does it!

  33. teddytennisfan says:

    i noticed one thign i like about PUIG — she has an 'EASY' game but it's an aggressive one. but without that very evident physical effort most players make. especially when she makes the critical or winning shots..she does it with ease.

  34. teddytennisfan says:

    i could be wrong — but why do i feel like monica canwin this – more than angelique can ?

    i mean she looks like she is confident to beak anelgique

  35. teddytennisfan says:

    teddytennisfani could be wrong — but why do i feel like monica canwin this – more than angelique can ?

    i mean she looks like she is confident to beak anelgique

    oh boy — and monica JUST DID break angelique but kerber is famous for not giving up any point! any shot!

    my my!

  36. teddytennisfan says:

    WOW KERBER BROKE RIGHT BACK1!! SERVING for set

  37. Carol says:

    Rafa says: " It was a good match, good level of tennis and all I can say is congratulations to Del Potro.
    I try my best, I give my best 'til the last ball but that's like this. I'm very satisfied by what I did the whole week. Tomorrow is another day and I'm going to try to be ready for it"
    Words and thoughts of a Great Champion
    And your fans know what you have done Rafa and thats why we can be so proud of you :yes:

  38. teddytennisfan says:

    CarolRafa says: " It was a good match, good level of tennis and all I can say is congratulations to Del Potro.
    I try my best, I give my best 'til the last ball but that's like this. I'm very satisfied by what I did the whole week. Tomorrow is another day and I'm going to try to be ready for it"
    Words and thoughts of a Great Champion
    And your fans know what you have done Rafa and thats why we can be so proud of you :yes:

    THAT'S OUR RAFA!!!
    HE brings competing and fighting to the heavens just like an eagle flies…
    then comes down to earth complete with humanity..
    the highest flights of pride in fighting to the last
    and the lowest in utter humility and modesty1

    how does one REFUSE to honor someone like that? you can't

    GOLDEN CHAMP ALWAYS!

  39. teddytennisfan says:

    my — it again LOOKS like MONICA has a GOLDEN chance to consolidate for 3-0 and BE the olympic champ.

  40. teddytennisfan says:

    it looks like – at 3-0 this CONSOLIDATING of her break of serve — IS going to win her the olympic gold for her LOVELY PUERTO RICO ..

    if i am correct – it is because she is quickly LEARNING how to make CORRECTIONS mid-stride in the match.

    she could even break right here…and serve for the 4-1 and towards the match. we'll see.

    but if puig consolidates her second break — if she DOES break — it's game over, i think

  41. teddytennisfan says:

    ohh — a little bit — it's alo ANGELIQUE getting a bit more nervous with her serves.

  42. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    She was nervous then… never should have lost that game.

  43. teddytennisfan says:

    boy some of monica's down the lines are just wonderful — to catch kerber flatfooted like taht — that's something.

  44. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    Never count out Angie until it's over though… she never quits.

  45. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    She was nervous then… never should have lost that game.

    so true!! haha. it's both of them nervous. US TOO! HEHE.

  46. teddytennisfan says:

    DID YOU SEE THAT?

    TEH FIRST TIME MONICA LET IT ALL OUT

    YUAAAAA!!! SHE SAID! HAHA.

  47. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Never count out Angie until it's over though… she never quits.

    NEVER NEVER count her out — even for a single shot — getting complacent is EVERY player's enemy against kerber! she's amazing and SOOO intelligent in her shot selections1 even when down1

  48. teddytennisfan says:
    teddytennisfan

    NEVER NEVER count her out — even for a single shot — getting complacent is EVERY player's enemy against kerber! she's amazing and SOOO intelligent in her shot selections1 even when down1

    never nnever count her out — ONLY when the last point is over!

  49. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    She's on the board finally. Monica just needs to keep her head together.

    Wow, great return from Angie.

  50. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    She's on the board finally. Monica just needs to keep her head together.

    Wow, great return from Angie.

    !
    truly amazing how angelique fights! oh MY

    ANGIE gifted THAT to monica…monica better LEARN to get it right now!

  51. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    Omg Angie… that was a terrible overhead!

  52. teddytennisfan says:

    good lord!!! FINALLY her match point

    let's see if PUIG CAN DO IT IN ONE!

  53. teddytennisfan says:

    teddytennisfangood lord!!! FINALLY her match point

    let's see if PUIG CAN DO IT IN ONE!

    HAHAHA…NOT YET!!!

    it's like in movies — including the ''slow deep last breath| hehe

    i think she's gonna do it in this second match point chance.

  54. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    Incredible point. Angie saves MP

  55. teddytennisfan says:
    teddytennisfan

    HAHAHA…NOT YET!!!

    it's like in movies — including the ''slow deep last breath| hehe

    i think she's gonna do it in this second match point chance.

    oops not yet — kerber got saved by her net ball! amazing

  56. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    Angie hanging on by the skin of her teeth. Bp

  57. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Incredible point. Angie saves MP

    and now a CHANCE TO break again! haha

    b ack to deuce — two more points to do for monica. and she's GOLDEN.

  58. teddytennisfan says:

    TELLING yuou — tht DOWN THE LINE of monica is fierce — saved her a number of tmes.

  59. teddytennisfan says:

    this is it – has to be. lol

  60. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    Monica is playing some fantastic tennis.

    Another Match Point

  61. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    It's over! Great stuff. A star is born.

  62. teddytennisfan says:
    teddytennisfan

    this is it – has to be. lol

    Yay

    i got it right this time

    hehe….

    MONICA PUIG OF PUERTO RICO

    WRITING HER NAME IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS 11

    GOLD OLYMPIC CHAMPION OF 2016 IN WOMEN'S TENNIS!!AMAZING!!!

  63. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    It's over! Great stuff. A star is born.

    I AM SOOOO happy for her and puerto rico!!! my gosh!! a STAR IS BORN indeed!!

    congrats to MONICA FOR GOLD

    CONGRATS to angelique for SILVER!

    wonderful match – wonderful runs! both so completelyd eserved ladies!

  64. teddytennisfan says:
    britbox

    Monica is playing some fantastic tennis.

    Another Match Point

    what i really liked abotu the way she played and won — AGGRESSIVE — not DEFENSIVE tennis. BOLD in her hitting – that's what i liked – meaning – to me anyway, it's winning on HER terms! not by mistakes of her opponent.

  65. Owen Gigg Owen Gigg says:

    teddytennisfanwhat i really liked abotu the way she played and won — AGGRESSIVE — not DEFENSIVE tennis. BOLD in her hitting – that's what i liked – meaning – to me anyway, it's winning on HER terms! not by mistakes of her opponent.

    Exactly… she was very aggressive, going after everything. Fortune favours the brave.

  66. teddytennisfan says:

    britboxExactly… she was very aggressive, going after everything. Fortune favours the brave.

    ok == nwow BACK TO REALITY

    NEWS FLASH after olympics tennis final…

    "" TWO famous grand slam title Holders have been arrested — after being caught trying to BEAT UP the OLYMPIC CHAMPION".

    "they are currently being questioned as to their motive".

    lol.

  67. Moxie says:

    Whatever happens tomorrow, and provided their respective wrists hold up, I think this Games has been excellent for Rafa and for Juan Martin, as a way to springboard their come-backs. I don't think any old tournament would have done it like this. They have both played with passion and guts, because it was the Olympics. Wertheim said he thinks their match today was the best of the year so far. And whatever we think about tennis in the OGs, the players take it very much to heart. :heart:

  68. Twisted says:

    teddytennisfandefinitely ANDY will be a VERY tall order to take down in a best of five ..

    let's see what they bring out tomorrow

    i can NOT wait!!!!

    can we somehow JUMP OFF the planet and PUSH it to turn 24 hours ahead? lol!!

    VERY tall order. Even if DP was fully rested I'd favor Andy right now, he is definitely playing the best tennis of anyone over the course of the past 3 months. DP will have tons of adrenaline and hopefully that gives him enough pep in his step over a best of 5. For Murray he has had some major ups and downs this week but blasting through Kei today is a good sign for him. I think Murray in 3 or 4 is the most likely result but hopefully I'm wrong.

  69. teddytennisfan says:

    MoxieWhatever happens tomorrow, and provided their respective wrists hold up, I think this Games has been excellent for Rafa and for Juan Martin, as a way to springboard their come-backs. I don't think any old tournament would have done it like this. They have both played with passion and guts, because it was the Olympics. Wertheim said he thinks their match today was the best of the year so far. And whatever we think about tennis in the OGs, the players take it very much to heart. :heart:

    so well-put!!

    indeed — there is NOTHING that RAFA -or any of the losing players can ever be ashamed about – they tried their best at this time – and their opponents just played better to win …but they gave it their dedication .

    there are no points here, no direct money although of course we know that especially for the ''less known ones" – like MONICA — it will change their ENTIRE lives..

    but there is no question that whatever their 'status' in their careers before that – the players who DID go – famous or not – rich or not —

    poured their hearts out carried by their will and desire and sacrifices and commitment to their sport and good fair competing.

    they are ALL honored just for that, imo.
    and TENNIS — HAS WON MILLIONS, MILLIONS MORE FANS around the world !!

    Soccer fans, swimming fans, track and field fans will more and more know just how SUPERB tennis is because of the great athletes who chose it for a career.

  70. Moxie says:

    TwistedVERY tall order. Even if DP was fully rested I'd favor Andy right now, he is definitely playing the best tennis of anyone over the course of the past 3 months. DP will have tons of adrenaline and hopefully that gives him enough pep in his step over a best of 5. For Murray he has had some major ups and downs this week but blasting through Kei today is a good sign for him. I think Murray in 3 or 4 is the most likely result but hopefully I'm wrong.

    Actually, fully-rested, I would favor JMDP, for the way he's been playing this week, over Murray who has been wobbly and cranky in a few of his matches. However, Delpo will be by far the more fatigued. And if he were to win it, he would have done it beating Djokovic, Nadal and Murray. That would be something, but he is just the guy. I really thought Rafa would have too little left today to make much of a match of it, but he left it all on the court. I'm sure Del Potro will tomorrow, so we'll see. Obviously, he'll have to have a great serving day, and hope to get it done in 4 at most. I love Andy, but he's got his Olympic Gold. It would be great for Juan Martin to win it all. It wouldn't make up for the Majors he's probably missed out on, but would go some way, I'd think. Either way, he should go home very, very proud, and energized for the rest of the season.

  71. Carol says:

    I hope Muzz remember tomorrow when Delpo insulted his mother, sorry but that was unacceptable

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkhkYBO0KeU%5D

  72. teddytennisfan says:
    Carol

    I hope Muzz remember tomorrow when Delpo insulted his mother, sorry but that was unacceptable

    i listend closely to the exchange.

    and i think yhou are WRONG in citing delpotro for ''unacceptable behavior:.

    the reason is this –:

    teh SEQUENCE of events and how it started and for what reason.

    1) andy did not like a shot delpo sent at him — a body shot – at close quarters…
    2) at their seats — andy MADE THE INITIATIVE to speak directly TO del potro..about that shot andy did not like
    3) del potro responded "you are always the same "…''like your mother".
    4) andy responds ''you are gonna speak about my mother again?"

    IT IS understandable to be upset when someone speaks about ''my mother' …

    but the REAL point of contention is not what del potro verbalized about what HE thinks about ''andy's mother' — saying "just like your mother" .

    the point is – ANDY INITIATED THE EXCHANGE — which WAS ITSELF AGAINST ANY RULES – – UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR…which prompted del potro to respond with ''you are always the same…" and andy kept talking and basically provoking del potro — who — 3-5 seconds continuing to hear andy goad del potro some more…

    THEN added "…always the same..just like your mother' PERHAPS TO also DIG at andy.

    but here is the question — AGAIN — who started THIS altercation?

    it is ANDY.
    WHAT WAS THE NATURE of his initiating it – speaking directly to del potro that players are NEVER supposed to do?
    IT WAS ANDY.
    ABOUT WHAT?

    we come to the gist of it all — the reason for the altercation initiated BY ANDY..
    THE BODY SHOT that andy did not like from del potro.

    the BODY SHOT IS A COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE TENNIS SHOT.

    the like andre agassi and sampras did it to each other …and that was it.

    on TWO COUNTS — it was actually andy that crossed the line:

    SPEAKING TO HIS OPPONENT – ND GOADING HIM TO RESPOND — in fct andy phrased his comments in the form of QUESTIONS — INTENDED to elicit a RESPONSE.

    AND THEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THE BODY SHOT – which is a legitimate shot.

    IF del potro then responded back with something, ANYTHING that andy said ''it's unacceptable" ''he talking about mymother"

    WHAT STARTED THE WHOLE EXCHANGE? WHO THREW THE FIRST IN THE EXCHANGE — motivated by his dislike of the BODY SHOT which is LEGITIMATE?

    it's andy.

    inreality — it was ANDY who was the ''behavioral aggressor" – andHE is the one that crossed the line:

    initiating an exchange with his opponet because he didn't like the SHOT THAT IS LEGITIMATE form his opponent.WHATEVER HE GOT FROM DEL POTRO

    ANDY — LOOKED FOR A ''FIGHT' — AND HE GOT IT from delpo.

    if andy didn't LIKE the response of del po — andy should NEVER have gone looking for a fight about a legitimate shot.1

    in other words ANDY GOT WHAT HE DESERVED from del potro.

    it has nothing to do with ''someone insulting someone else's mother|

    every one does that ;;

    "your…m,amma…"
    "son of a bitch"
    whatever…they are part of exchanges when quarrels and fights begin.

    but the fundamental question remains – WHO STARTED IT?

    IT WAS ANDY — AND THEREFORE HE – HE – HAD NO ROOM OR JUSTIFICATION TO COMPLAIN ABOUT WHAT HE GOT afterhe looked for a fight, because that CLEARLY was what he was trying to gt del potro into..

    for what reason? a SHOT ANDY DIDN'T LIKE|?

    DOESNT HE REMEMBER – HE IS SO INTELLIGENT AND CONSIDERED A BRAIN in tennis shots…

    that body shots are legitimate? he GOES IN THERE IN A TENNIS MATCH — has one of the richest arsenals of tennis shots —

    he is going to COMPLAIN and PICK AND CHOOSE what shots his opponent may NOT bring against him?

    that — THAT in itself was unprofessional and unsportsmanlike.

    it's not complicated — and you were wrong inassessing this.

    unless i am wrong in what i see and heard and the sequence of the exchagne and for what reason it BEGAN AND FROM WHOM..

  73. teddytennisfan says:

    TOMORROW we'll see also about any lingering dislike they seem to have had – if based on that video clip that CAROL gave us.

    i explained my disagreement with carol's observation that delpo was out of line for saying something involving andy's mother .

    and i was curious today, in fact, after delpo beat rafa – that when delpo was asked about his finals opponent — andy mentioned — delpo said the obligatory

    "/he's a great player, champion, fights well".

    andthen ''but i don't want to talk about that"…as if the very thought of andy was distasteful …and 'i just want to focus on the playing".

    so we'll see what happens tomorrow but it might bring in quite some added tension. and influence their shotmaking .

    =================

    CAROL — DO correct me if i missed anything from that video — although i think i paid attention to the exchange and most importantly — the SEQUENCE and for what reasons..

  74. Carol says:

    teddytennisfani listend closely to the exchange.

    and i think yhou are WRONG in citing delpotro for ''unacceptable behavior:.

    the reason is this –:

    teh SEQUENCE of events and how it started and for what reason.

    1) andy did not like a shot delpo sent at him — a body shot – at close quarters…
    2) at their seats — andy MADE THE INITIATIVE to speak directly TO del potro..about that shot andy did not like
    3) del potro responded "you are always the same "…''like your mother".
    4) andy responds ''you are gonna speak about my mother again?"

    IT IS understandable to be upset when someone speaks about ''my mother' …

    but the REAL point of contention is not what del potro verbalized about what HE thinks about ''andy's mother' — saying "just like your mother" .

    the point is – ANDY INITIATED THE EXCHANGE — which WAS ITSELF AGAINST ANY RULES – – UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR…which prompted del potro to respond with ''you are always the same…" and andy kept talking and basically provoking del potro — who — 3-5 seconds continuing to hear andy goad del potro some more…

    THEN added "…always the same..just like your mother' PERHAPS TO also DIG at andy.

    but here is the question — AGAIN — who started THIS altercation?

    it is ANDY.
    WHAT WAS THE NATURE of his initiating it – speaking directly to del potro that players are NEVER supposed to do?
    IT WAS ANDY.
    ABOUT WHAT?

    we come to the gist of it all — the reason for the altercation initiated BY ANDY..
    THE BODY SHOT that andy did not like from del potro.

    the BODY SHOT IS A COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE TENNIS SHOT.

    the like andre agassi and sampras did it to each other …and that was it.

    on TWO COUNTS — it was actually andy that crossed the line:

    SPEAKING TO HIS OPPONENT – ND GOADING HIM TO RESPOND — in fct andy phrased his comments in the form of QUESTIONS — INTENDED to elicit a RESPONSE.

    AND THEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THE BODY SHOT – which is a legitimate shot.

    IF del potro then responded back with something, ANYTHING that andy said ''it's unacceptable" ''he talking about mymother"

    WHAT STARTED THE WHOLE EXCHANGE? WHO THREW THE FIRST IN THE EXCHANGE — motivated by his dislike of the BODY SHOT which is LEGITIMATE?

    it's andy.

    inreality — it was ANDY who was the ''behavioral aggressor" – andHE is the one that crossed the line:

    initiating an exchange with his opponet because he didn't like the SHOT THAT IS LEGITIMATE form his opponent.WHATEVER HE GOT FROM DEL POTRO

    ANDY — LOOKED FOR A ''FIGHT' — AND HE GOT IT from delpo.

    if andy didn't LIKE the response of del po — andy should NEVER have gone looking for a fight about a legitimate shot.1

    in other words ANDY GOT WHAT HE DESERVED from del potro.

    it has nothing to do with ''someone insulting someone else's mother|

    every one does that ;;

    "your…m,amma…"
    "son of a bitch"
    whatever…they are part of exchanges when quarrels and fights begin.

    but the fundamental question remains – WHO STARTED IT?

    IT WAS ANDY — AND THEREFORE HE – HE – HAD NO ROOM OR JUSTIFICATION TO COMPLAIN ABOUT WHAT HE GOT afterhe looked for a fight, because that CLEARLY was what he was trying to gt del potro into..

    for what reason? a SHOT ANDY DIDN'T LIKE|?

    DOESNT HE REMEMBER – HE IS SO INTELLIGENT AND CONSIDERED A BRAIN in tennis shots…

    that body shots are legitimate? he GOES IN THERE IN A TENNIS MATCH — has one of the richest arsenals of tennis shots —

    he is going to COMPLAIN and PICK AND CHOOSE what shots his opponent may NOT bring against him?

    that — THAT in itself was unprofessional and unsportsmanlike.

    it's not complicated — and you were wrong inassessing this.

    unless i am wrong in what i see and heard and the sequence of the exchagne and for what reason it BEGAN AND FROM WHOM..

    It doesn't matter who started the fight, he never had to mention his mother, period
    I know that Delpo is for some of you a "good guy" and Muzz a "bad one" but I don't think it's that way. Do you know why Delpo don't have a good relation with the others Argentine players? do you know that a few years ego he said something very incovinient about Rafa? of course this is nothing to do with today result but I always think that Delpo is not so nice like some people think

  75. teddytennisfan says:

    CarolIt doesn't matter who started the fight, he never had to mention his mother, period
    I know that Delpo is for some of you a "good guy" and Muzz a "bad one" but I don't think it's that way. Do you know why Delpo don't have a good relation with the others Argentine players? do you know that a few years ego he said something very incovinient about Rafa? of course this is nothing to do with today result but I always think that Delpo is not so nice like some people think

    actually — it DOES matter who started it.

    this IS A professional match in which it is always clear tha tplayers – at minimum do NOT engage each other at all…unless it was clearly out of simply expressing genuine admiration – such as after a match, theycan talk, or clearly everyone understands they are teasing each other or whatever…

    but in a situation in which someone can be judged by anyone – a viewer, an umpire, an official, as being ''inappropriate" — such as in a fight – a verbal one in this case —

    that has NO place in a professional exchange that , by the game rules should be confined TO BALL PLAYING ONLY –

    thne something like this MATTERS as to who initiated the exchange that has no place in the match – AT ALL.

    that is the bottom line.

    whatever delpos other relations with others – as you cited — by your own measure – is irrelevantin judging delpo HERE in THIS instance.

    it is the same as saying NADAL is too testy during a match because berdych once made him angry in davis cup and that ''berdych' has a history of such things:. "

    well — in the CASE OF ''past history" ANDY TOO has a history of mouthing off – with umpires, being testy, and THAT too could be cited as ''annoying to the opponent, or testing or psyching out the opponent".

    so — arguments about ''past behavior or pattern of behavior" goes BOTH ways for delpo which you cited — as for ANDY which i am citing.

    but confining it to this example..the sequence, chronology of events IS central to the whole issue.

    that's what is done when a jury considers a case — they test every single chronological order..

    what is the material to examine for that and only THAT event – a murder, a theft, a rape,

    who did what at what time for what reason? and THEN you find out the facts.

    and the facts here — not the opinion about ''what delpo relates like with others" — (which can also be said about how ''andy relates on matches" —

    are all important.
    so – again:

    it is central – the question of who initiated the altercation – and for what reason so that

    a delpo response came back at andy.
    in short — if andy doens't LIKE certainshots from his opponent he SHOULD NOT PLAY. he cannot pick and choose which shot comes so thtat he can hit it back nicely.

    second — if andy doesn't LIKE what delpo sent back in response – about andy's mother – because delpo said "…just like…..your mother"…

    whatever delpo implied —

    ANDY SHOULD NEVER HAVE STARTED AN EXCHANGE – AND EXCHANGE about a LEGITIMATE SHOT by delpo

    which itiself is actually anINSULT to his opponent as if to say delpo was making a cheap shot —

    but cheap shot or not — it is legitimate.

    if EDBERG did not like MICHAEL CHANG'S underhand SERVE that turned the tide against edberg in FO 1990 – EDBERG had the dignity to just take it- and indeed lose the championship.

    he did not engage incomplaining and directing his complaint at his opponent for a shot he didn't expect.

    that is the correct way – by the rules of the game –
    and this is the correct way to line up the REAL cause of the response of delpo which andy didn't like some more — on top of not liking the legitimate shot.

    in short also – andy murray BITCHED abotu a shot and then BITCHED about delpo's response…

    if that was in the STREETS of RIO and andy tried THAT on someone — he'd get BEATEN UP — not just told "this for your momma – who's gonna be my bitch".

    of course, Carol — i am basing this PURELY on the sequence of events — that is the ONLY way things can be found out

    the process of 'discovery" in other words..and if — ccording to the sequence of events – such and such person BEGAN SUCH AND such exchange, for such and such reason, …etc…

    then those facts will show themselves. it is what it is –

    but opinion has to rely on THESE particular facts. nothing else.
    5:00 pm started by so and so to so and so saying such and such getting this and that response..etc.etc.

    andy was looking for a fight — he got it – he had no cause really to complain about what delpo threw back at him.

    i understand of course you have your judgment about it also . i'm just saying i am basing mine STRICTLY on the sequence of events there and what triggered them and whether the exchange itself was a legitimate complaint about a shot ..

    if the shot was legitimate — andy should NEVER have started — ANYTHING.

  76. Carol says:

    teddytennisfanactually — it DOES matter who started it.

    this IS A professional match in which it is always clear tha tplayers – at minimum do NOT engage each other at all…unless it was clearly out of simply expressing genuine admiration – such as after a match, theycan talk, or clearly everyone understands they are teasing each other or whatever…

    but in a situation in which someone can be judged by anyone – a viewer, an umpire, an official, as being ''inappropriate" — such as in a fight – a verbal one in this case —

    that has NO place in a professional exchange that , by the game rules should be confined TO BALL PLAYING ONLY –

    thne something like this MATTERS as to who initiated the exchange that has no place in the match – AT ALL.

    that is the bottom line.

    whatever delpos other relations with others – as you cited — by your own measure – is irrelevantin judging delpo HERE in THIS instance.

    it is the same as saying NADAL is too testy during a match because berdych once made him angry in davis cup and that ''berdych' has a history of such things:. "

    well — in the CASE OF ''past history" ANDY TOO has a history of mouthing off – with umpires, being testy, and THAT too could be cited as ''annoying to the opponent, or testing or psyching out the opponent".

    so — arguments about ''past behavior or pattern of behavior" goes BOTH ways for delpo which you cited — as for ANDY which i am citing.

    but confining it to this example..the sequence, chronology of events IS central to the whole issue.

    that's what is done when a jury considers a case — they test every single chronological order..

    what is the material to examine for that and only THAT event – a murder, a theft, a rape,

    who did what at what time for what reason? and THEN you find out the facts.

    and the facts here — not the opinion about ''what delpo relates like with others" — (which can also be said about how ''andy relates on matches" —

    are all important.
    so – again:

    it is central – the question of who initiated the altercation – and for what reason so that

    a delpo response came back at andy.
    in short — if andy doens't LIKE certainshots from his opponent he SHOULD NOT PLAY. he cannot pick and choose which shot comes so thtat he can hit it back nicely.

    second — if andy doesn't LIKE what delpo sent back in response – about andy's mother – because delpo said "…just like…..your mother"…

    whatever delpo implied —

    ANDY SHOULD NEVER HAVE STARTED AN EXCHANGE – AND EXCHANGE about a LEGITIMATE SHOT by delpo

    which itiself is actually anINSULT to his opponent as if to say delpo was making a cheap shot —

    but cheap shot or not — it is legitimate.

    if EDBERG did not like MICHAEL CHANG'S underhand SERVE that turned the tide against edberg in FO 1990 – EDBERG had the dignity to just take it- and indeed lose the championship.

    he did not engage incomplaining and directing his complaint at his opponent for a shot he didn't expect.

    that is the correct way – by the rules of the game –
    and this is the correct way to line up the REAL cause of the response of delpo which andy didn't like some more — on top of not liking the legitimate shot.

    in short also – andy murray BITCHED abotu a shot and then BITCHED about delpo's response…

    if that was in the STREETS of RIO and andy tried THAT on someone — he'd get BEATEN UP — not just told "this for your momma – who's gonna be my bitch".

    he is LUCKY it was just in a match in which it was HE that was being unprofessional towards his opponent .

    We neither know why Muzz started that fight or if both have some issues before that match but let's go to move on, you have your opinion and I have mine. We neither know them personally and we don't know who is better person that who, I've just say what I'm thinking , you are not going to change my opinion and I am not going to change your, peace and love :heart:

  77. teddytennisfan says:

    CarolWe neither know why Muzz started that fight or if both have some issues before that match but let's go to move on, you have your opinion and I have mine. We neither know them personally and we don't know who is better person that who, I've just say what I'm thinking , you are not going to change my opinion and I am not going to change your, peace and love :heart:

    THAT'S TRUE — WE DON'T KNOW — but only about past relations between them.

    but – if that video shows it – as you cited it as 'evidence against delpo' to bolster ndy's claim about delpo being ''out of line" –

    then we can only base it on THAT evidence. andTHAT evidence says WE KNOW andsee what happened —

    it's right there forever documented. and as i say — since i MUST base my judgment on that evidence right there thatneither your or my opinionof them otherwise canchange.

    then that evidence in sequence – shows it was andy that went against that rule:

    "d o not engage in a quarrel directly with your opponent"

    that is why there are umpires to whom players — if they don't like a shot — they go to the umpire who will judge and decide if the shots were allowed — or correct…or incorrect…

    and then instruct the opponent appropriately.

    ANDY CROSSED THAT LINE. it's right there in the evidence. and THAT– WE ''KNOW"

    because that very sequence and WHO initiated it and THEREFORE crossed that strict rule against engaging his opponent — is right there staring at us — playable forever and it will never change…

    ANDY initiated a verbal exchange out of complaint about a legitimate shot by his opponent — DIRECTING it to his opponent — and that is against the rules. that is inf act why the rules are there — so THAT there will be NO QUARRELS — and the only quarrels are

    when the ball is HIT!

    BUT YA — you're right — let's move on.

    so much to find out whose ANGER" SERVES HIM better!!! hehehe…..

    thanks for ''engaging" me. hehe. u know i love ANDY , believe me…but we all know he can mouth off sometimes…right or wrong — often he is infact correct, as far as i know…but even then — we've seen him warned about it. lol. but that's andy.

    so let's see who is the GOLDEN CHAMP TOMORROW11!!!

  78. teddytennisfan says:
    Carol

    We neither know why Muzz started that fight or if both have some issues before that match but let's go to move on, you have your opinion and I have mine. We neither know them personally and we don't know who is better person that who, I've just say what I'm thinking , you are not going to change my opinion and I am not going to change your, peace and love :heart:

    HEHE…TOMORROW — CAN YOU imagine if they continue THIS? LOL.

    OH MY GOD!1 BIG DRAMA!! hehe…but seriously — i think ANDY better keep a lid a little bit — on the mouth — because the ATMOSPHERE CAN easily turn against him so severely it will be more than even he can handle. and his shots go spraying,

    u know? he HAS to keep his head on his game . nevermind what he thinks about delpo..and delpo should be the same.

    there's TOO MUCH at stake — and it all rests not on what they thik about each other — but about them KEEPING THAT BALL IN!!

    LOL

  79. Moxie says:

    Wait…I thought all of that was a joke…what happened?

  80. teddytennisfan says:
    Moxie

    Wait…I thought all of that was a joke…what happened?

    IF YOU'RE referring to Carol and me discussing this andy/delpo video – past match – about an exchange between them —

    it' wasn't a joke. imean thevideo…

    carol and i are just comparing our conclusions about the video – that little ''spat''between 2 grown men! lol.

  81. Carol says:

    teddytennisfanHEHE…TOMORROW — CAN YOU imagine if they continue THIS? LOL.

    OH MY GOD!1 BIG DRAMA!! hehe…but seriously — i think ANDY better keep a lid a little bit — on the mouth — because the ATMOSPHERE CAN easily turn against him so severely it will be more than even he can handle. and his shots go spraying,

    u know? he HAS to keep his head on his game . nevermind what he thinks about delpo..and delpo should be the same.

    there's TOO MUCH at stake — and it all rests not on what they thik about each other — but about them KEEPING THAT BALL IN!!

    LOL

    I'd like Muzz winning but you never know what is going to happen, I always say that we don't know until they hit the last ball. Delpo is playing well, today his serve was better than the previous matches but Muzz probably will be more fresh and his last Wimbledon title is giving him more confidence. I know that sometimes he "talks" too much but I've seen worse things from others players and he has very good things too :good:

  82. teddytennisfan says:

    CarolRafa says: " It was a good match, good level of tennis and all I can say is congratulations to Del Potro.
    I try my best, I give my best 'til the last ball but that's like this. I'm very satisfied by what I did the whole week. Tomorrow is another day and I'm going to try to be ready for it"
    Words and thoughts of a Great Champion
    And your fans know what you have done Rafa and thats why we can be so proud of you :yes:

    today — and throughout the week — RAFA — again — SHOWED why his success is not just in the tennis —

    it's that unrelenting willingness of his to keep COMING BACK!! and always trying to bring the best he can to any fight — whether all his weapons are there or not,.

    remember how in the start of his career…

    he had what people called "pracftically NO SERVE" ?
    NO shot this and no shot that?- and only his 'forehand"?

    but look at what he has done — through all the unending writeups about how ''incomplete" his game was COMPARED to Roger Federer.

    TODAY — NO ONE QUESTIONS not just his achievements in history

    but the VERY SHOTS or tennis strategy or tactics and skills that heONCE was written about as NOT having them!!

    no less than JOHN MCENROE — A MASTER of volleying ifwe've seen one —

    has now long called RAFA

    "THE BEST VOLLEYER OUT THERE — "

    RAFAEL WAS NOT supposed to be like THAT accoridng to expert writers !! lol.

  83. teddytennisfan says:
    Carol

    I'd like Muzz winning but you never know what is going to happen, I always say that we don't know until they hit the last ball. Delpo is playing well, today his serve was better than the previous matches but Muzz probably will be more fresh and his last Wimbledon title is giving him more confidence. I know that sometimes he "talks" too much but I've seen worse things from others players and he has very good things too :good:

    to me — even if DELPO was fresh — it's actually ANDY that I THINK has a more EVENLY developed game throughout.

    you know?

    the quality of his shots between his forehand and backhand and serve and return riding on his famous movement ..is – as a general rule — not just against delpo

    just more developed and more ironed out.

    so i think THAT consistency throughout his arsenal gives an edge to his winning over delpo.

    delpo CAN blow andy, anyone OFF THE court. but the questionis how consistently can he keep his shots in – until he's able to find that opening?

    if he can keep that ball in play but as quickly find his openings — he'll win. — against anyone really.

    but if he doesn't — ANDY'S variety and fullness of weaponry will make andy the ONLY REPEAT OLYMPIC CHAMP IN TENNIS!

    i just can barely waiiiiittt!!!

  84. teddytennisfan says:
    Carol

    I'd like Muzz winning but you never know what is going to happen, I always say that we don't know until they hit the last ball. Delpo is playing well, today his serve was better than the previous matches but Muzz probably will be more fresh and his last Wimbledon title is giving him more confidence. I know that sometimes he "talks" too much but I've seen worse things from others players and he has very good things too :good:

    heh — andy isn't anywhere near ''worst' with that mouth ofhis. it really doesn't bother me – frankly — i mean just MY watching — what do i really care?

    it's entertaining — i even find him cute that way. lol..

    but he DOES get himself in trouble sometimes — warnings etc.

    but that's him! lol. he probably just HAS to get things off his chest otherwise it all gets choked up inside .

  85. teddytennisfan says:
    Carol

    I'd like Muzz winning but you never know what is going to happen, I always say that we don't know until they hit the last ball. Delpo is playing well, today his serve was better than the previous matches but Muzz probably will be more fresh and his last Wimbledon title is giving him more confidence. I know that sometimes he "talks" too much but I've seen worse things from others players and he has very good things too :good:

    for me also — there's one other thing that andy has that isn't as much a RAFA ''style".

    and that is that andy's shots are NOT as ''high bouncing" or high 'flying" as rafa's huge topspins.

    to a player as TALL as delpo – i think that is more dangerous actually . so to me that technical style of andy gives him an added strength against delpo compared to rafa's much higher balls that came right at delpo's chest level – just really ''nice' for delpo to whale at.

    lol.

  86. Carol says:

    teddytennisfantoday — and throughout the week — RAFA — again — SHOWED why his success is not just in the tennis —

    it's that unrelenting willingness of his to keep COMING BACK!! and always trying to bring the best he can to any fight — whether all his weapons are there or not,.

    remember how in the start of his career…

    he had what people called "pracftically NO SERVE" ?
    NO shot this and no shot that?- and only his 'forehand"?

    but look at what he has done — through all the unending writeups about how ''incomplete" his game was COMPARED to Roger Federer.

    TODAY — NO ONE QUESTIONS not just his achievements in history

    but the VERY SHOTS or tennis strategy or tactics and skills that heONCE was written about as NOT having them!!

    no less than JOHN MCENROE — A MASTER of volleying ifwe've seen one —

    has now long called RAFA

    "THE BEST VOLLEYER OUT THERE — "

    RAFAEL WAS NOT supposed to be like THAT accoridng to expert writers !! lol.

    Oh the experts…..sometimes they talk too much ….you know what 😮
    But coming back to the match, if Rafa would have been more fresh I doubt that he would have lost that match, even in his conditions he was close, very close to win until the he missed that last ball by a big error but it was what it was, we'll see tomorrow what he will do, anyway a Bronze Medal is not bad at all :cheerleader:

  87. teddytennisfan says:

    CarolOh the experts…..sometimes they talk too much ….you know what 😮
    But coming back to the match, if Rafa would have been more fresh I doubt that he would have lost that match, even in his conditions he was close, very close to win until the he missed that last ball by a big error but it was what it was, we'll see tomorrow what he will do, anyway a Bronze Medal is not bad at all :cheerleader:

    the real takeout of this — even if not the finals and a chance for the gold is:

    WE almost forget that RAFA HAS NOT EVEN PLAYED for a long, long time…

    and NOT like this level in general –

    A GREAT, GREAT SIGN! for that alone — which never left my mind — we should be really be thankful.

    sure — it's not finals or gold this time _in singles anyway —

    but remember that we weren't even sure WHETHER he can even finish a match ? !!

    FOR ME anyway as a fan only — THAT was a big. because hopefully – it could mean we can look forward to not just more of that ''old rafa" not just for this year — but next and next. i mean — months away from the wrist thing? that's MAJOR.
    and he came through in GOOD shape .

    this is very important , imo.

  88. Carol says:

    teddytennisfanthe real takeout of this — even if not the finals and a chance for the gold is:

    WE almost forget that RAFA HAS NOT EVEN PLAYED for a long, long time…

    and NOT like this level in general –

    A GREAT, GREAT SIGN! for that alone — which never left my mind — we should be really be thankful.

    sure — it's not finals or gold this time _in singles anyway —

    but remember that we weren't even sure WHETHER he can even finish a match ? !!

    FOR ME anyway as a fan only — THAT was a big. because hopefully – it could mean we can look forward to not just more of that ''old rafa" not just for this year — but next and next. i mean — months away from the wrist thing? that's MAJOR.
    and he came through in GOOD shape .

    this is very important , imo.

    If he doesn't play in Cincy, I hope NOT, he will have time to rest and to get a good training to be ready for the USO where he will play with more "calm"

  89. Tennis Fan says:

    MoxieHappy for Juan, but still disappointed for Rafa, who dug really deep in this one. I didn't believe he'd have that much left today. A lot of heart. I hope Del Potro gets the gold.

    Now that you mention it, I'm glad he lost. BO5 would be way too much.

  90. Tennis Fan says:

    MoxieWhatever happens tomorrow, and provided their respective wrists hold up, I think this Games has been excellent for Rafa and for Juan Martin, as a way to springboard their come-backs. I don't think any old tournament would have done it like this. They have both played with passion and guts, because it was the Olympics. Wertheim said he thinks their match today was the best of the year so far. And whatever we think about tennis in the OGs, the players take it very much to heart. :heart:

    Great post, Moxie.

  91. teddytennisfan says:

    CarolIf he doesn't play in Cincy, I hope NOT, he will have time to rest and to get a good training to be ready for the USO where he will play with more "calm"

    CarolIf he doesn't play in Cincy, I hope NOT, he will have time to rest and to get a good training to be ready for the USO where he will play with more "calm"

    me too actually — i prefer that rafa RESTS — even if the wrist is good — and use that time for general rest — savor the results that he's in good shape considering the very long time away from MATCH ..

    MAKE sure the checks on the wrist and everything else leave time for rehab and recovery — and use the time to just tinker with his technique…just be in his workshop

    now that he KNOWS he can bang it out against the stiffest competition. and it's been a LOT of tennis that should last his ''muscle rhythm a while until USO .
    this way — he comes in to USO CONFIDENT he has had his rest, feels refreshed — the olympics is behind him some distance – and he looks forward – done a little more homework , fitness..etc…

    and land on the ground running in the USO. FORGET all that about ''ranking points' – it doesn't matter to him anyway whose across the net — he STILL FIGHTS! HEHE.

  92. Tennis Fan says:

    CarolI hope Muzz remember tomorrow when Delpo insulted his mother, sorry but that was unacceptable

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkhkYBO0KeU%5D

    I agree with you, Carol. Talking about someone's mother is unacceptable. Those commentators get on my nerves. How in the world do they think they can gauge someone's reactions in the heat of the moment. Every chance they get they're kicking sand in some players' faces and ignoring all of the antics of others. So ridiculous.

  93. Tennis Fan says:
    Carol

    It doesn't matter who started the fight, he never had to mention his mother, period
    I know that Delpo is for some of you a "good guy" and Muzz a "bad one" but I don't think it's that way. Do you know why Delpo don't have a good relation with the others Argentine players? do you know that a few years ego he said something very incovinient about Rafa? of course this is nothing to do with today result but I always think that Delpo is not so nice like some people think

    I think speaking about someone's mother is unacceptable. Period. Whatever disagreements someone has, they should keep it to court. There is no reason that I can think of that excuses del Potro's behavior. That's just low, IMO. I had forgotten about that incident, but I do remember him talking negatively about Rafa at one point. Again, why say it?

    I didn't know that he had a bad rapport with his fellow Argies. Hmm, something to think about. I don't care for people who disrespect others.

  94. teddytennisfan says:

    CarolOh the experts…..sometimes they talk too much ….you know what 😮
    But coming back to the match, if Rafa would have been more fresh I doubt that he would have lost that match, even in his conditions he was close, very close to win until the he missed that last ball by a big error but it was what it was, we'll see tomorrow what he will do, anyway a Bronze Medal is not bad at all :cheerleader:

    SO TRUE11111

    you remember those years when he was trying to win wimbledon?

    FIRST YEAR EVER that he joined — remarks — in websites or commentary or even players – including roger himselfL

    "he will never win wimbleodn"
    "he'll never get past the FIRST WEEK"..

    OOPSS — HE GOT TO FINALS on his FIRST TIME ON GRASS EVER!! yea – lost rather easily to Roger..to prove to everyone he'll never be like roger on grass…
    but somehow people forgot he was NOT supposed to get past first WEEK…

    SECOND YEAR — he lost to roger but VERY close — except for ''the difference in serves" i remember THAT part right at the very last few points…

    in THAT year remarks were similar – again — and roger HIMSELF said

    |"i'd be surprised if he made it to the FINALS".

    THIRD TRY — when he toppled roger bringing THAT serve that was lacking the year before…

    remarks – after he gave roger a thrashing in FO such that roger wouldn't entertain questions anymore "i just want to get out and FORGET FO"…

    and THEN just prior to WIMBLEDON — KNOWING rafa already challenged the past 2 years and VERY NEARLY took him…roger himself quipped:

    "I have the WEAPONS TO DISMANTLE HIM..his game is one-dimensional"..

    and LOST IN WIMBLEDON.
    beating roger in volleys, and serving…
    WHICH IS when mcenroe began saying "people always say rafa is one-dimensional ..right before our eyes we have ignored that he has been adding one shot after another — and right now he's the BEST volleyer out there, ".

  95. Tennis Fan says:

    teddytennisfantoday — and throughout the week — RAFA — again — SHOWED why his success is not just in the tennis —

    it's that unrelenting willingness of his to keep COMING BACK!! and always trying to bring the best he can to any fight — whether all his weapons are there or not,.

    remember how in the start of his career…

    he had what people called "pracftically NO SERVE" ?
    NO shot this and no shot that?- and only his 'forehand"?

    but look at what he has done — through all the unending writeups about how ''incomplete" his game was COMPARED to Roger Federer.

    TODAY — NO ONE QUESTIONS not just his achievements in history

    but the VERY SHOTS or tennis strategy or tactics and skills that heONCE was written about as NOT having them!!

    no less than JOHN MCENROE — A MASTER of volleying ifwe've seen one —

    has now long called RAFA

    "THE BEST VOLLEYER OUT THERE — "

    RAFAEL WAS NOT supposed to be like THAT accoridng to expert writers !! lol.

    Which is the main reason why people shouldn't listen to "commentators." Surely they have biases too. Who knows, maybe a player didn't attend one of their events or didn't grant them an interview, that could easily be the reason for their anger. But on the flip side, they never say anything negative about their favorites, no matter what they do. They want to talk about water bottles and you wouldn't think that Maria was ever even on the tour judging by their silence. What kind of mess it that? Whenever I hear people spouting off about a commentator's biased "insight" I completely ignore them and their subsequent ramblings. Why would I listen to them? They dogged Rafa out for years, and while I am no pundit I had eyes to see that a seventeen year old who arrives on the scene and beats someone labeled "The GOAT" obviously has talent. How do people fall for such things?

  96. Carol says:

    Tennis FanI think speaking about someone's mother is unacceptable. Period. Whatever disagreements someone has, they should keep it to court. There is no reason that I can think of that excuses del Potro's behavior. That's just low, IMO. I had forgotten about that incident, but I do remember him talking negatively about Rafa at one point. Again, why say it?

    I didn't know that he had a bad rapport with his fellow Argies. Hmm, something to think about. I don't care for people who disrespect others.

    You know what they say "some do all the work, others take the credit"

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